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Posted Oct 29, '12 at 1:30pm

danielo

danielo

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relaxe genovesan, its the way of USA to make you belive that communism is not an option, as all there agenda is about the rich control the poor. When someone try to change it, he is called communist, china kill kittens, north korea turore puppies and Cuba kidnnape orphant hanicape cancer kids.

Why all the communist countries failed? because USA fought them, blockaded them, embargo them. Cuba is not that bad. Its just easier to say "hah, the neighbores are worse. We have good life actualy, we dont need to change".

there are peoples who enjoy the corrnet condition in USA, even if it can be better for the entire peoples. they prefer to keep the money in there pockets.

 

Posted Oct 29, '12 at 1:56pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,853 posts

Knight

Might I suggest reading more about China instead of blathering about it without a clue? For example, HK is under the one country TWO system rule which allows it a lot of autonomy.

Actually yes, the one child policy did help. China has to create millions of jobs to ease it's ever expanding labour force and it can't even do it now, thereby leaving countless people in a netherworld of unemployment, stuck between country and city. They are rethinking the policy.

The argument that China isn't Communist is valid. Spit all your drink out; doesn't change the fact that you show gaping holes in your grasp of the topic. China is no longer Communist or even on the path to it, for example the crackdown on the increasingly Maoist Bo Xilai speaks volumes. Furthermore, the main point here is to show that one cannot disparage communism as an ideology if one uses modern day China as a case study; because it isn't.

 

Posted Oct 29, '12 at 2:02pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,853 posts

Knight

Point being, HK and China have very different policies and background and can't be placed as a comparison in this case.

As for conflating genocide and abortion in order to pick the sex of the child, I shall not even bother actively pointing out the differences, but just leave in on a silver platter for all to gawk at.

 

Posted Oct 29, '12 at 4:37pm

VonHeisenbourg

VonHeisenbourg

215 posts

If I'm not mistaken about communism, communism is:

- A classless society
- Equality for all
- Jobs for all
- Everyone gets paid the same, including the lowliest secretary at a school and the Prime Minister of a country
- Same housing for all
- No favouritism at all
- No poverty
- No starvation
- No redundant jobs or stores

If my definition of communism is correct it seems like a utopia to me. It's a shame that there hasn't really been a true communist country to see if it would be a utopia (like others have pointed out calling yourself communist doesn't make you a communist).

 

Posted Oct 30, '12 at 7:09am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,853 posts

Knight

Only the first two are actual tenets. Also, it would be a stateless society.

 

Posted Oct 30, '12 at 6:29pm

VonHeisenbourg

VonHeisenbourg

215 posts

Only the first two are actual tenets

Incorrect.

In order for there to be equality (which you agree is a tenet) everything below that (except for no redundant jobs or stores) would have to be tenet. Equality for all go hand in hand with everything below except for the last point. How can everyone be equals if one man is starving and another is not, how can everyone be equal if some people are in poverty and some are not.

 

Posted Oct 31, '12 at 3:35am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,853 posts

Knight

It is not incorrect. Marx didn't explicitly state that each person has to have equality in everything, he proposed equality and a classless society; but that doesn't mean everyone had to live in exactly the same type of shelter or had the same type of food. Furthermore he proposed a moneyless society so saying everyone was paid the same is incorrect because salaries wouldn't exist. He proposed a society where material wealth was superabundant and anyone can have whatever he wanted. That's not the same as everyone having similar material wealth.

Lastly, tenets are different from effects spilling from the core principles.

 

Posted Oct 31, '12 at 6:56am

sensanaty

sensanaty

862 posts

What does that have to do with children executing their parents?

I'd need a source on that one. (forgive me if it's already posted, too lazy to check back the pages)

So a large city has a lot of people in it....does that automatically mean the world is overflowing with people?

Again, you've obviously never been to a larger city in China.

Hong Kong is one of the most populated cities and are exempt from the policy.

Read what nicho said.

So???? Justifying the murder of females is OKAY for the sake of over population? Give me an effing break.

From my experience and my friends, the males are much more useful in society than females are.

China is by far the leader in genocide. During the Mao Ze-Dong era over ~78,000,000 were killed.

Most died from mistreatment.

China is communist. Sorry , your argument isn't convincing. All Communist countries at one time had a dictator and some still do.

Tito wasn't a dictator. Russians hardly consider Stalin a dictator. China was a pure dictatorship. The CCCP might have been kind of harsh on the population, but China was far worse than the CCCP(oh and btw, this is read SSSR, it's Cyrillic for all of you who don't know this)

Why all the communist countries failed? because USA fought them...

There was much more to it, the USA was just a fraction of the problem. The socialist countries fell apart due to their original leaders being replaced by ones that weren't as good(or bad, whatever, western media's bull**** anyways), so socialism fell apart. Kim Jong-Il's son (if that's his name) is too young, and North Korea'll die soon enough.

*And another thing, communism never existed in the real world. Anything that was considered/is considered communist is/was actually socialist. Communism is the final stage of socialism. And for communism to exist, the country has to be leaderless(and other things too, but this is the main point).
** Western culture and Eastern culture are completely different. I'd advise you study more on the topic. or visit the eastern countries for a little more than just tourism and vacations.It's much more beautiful than anything in the west, I assure you.

 

Posted Oct 31, '12 at 8:22am

partydevil

partydevil

5,090 posts

Kim Jong-Il's son (if that's his name) is too young, and North Korea'll die soon enough.

he is in his 30's
+ he has a load of advisers that also served kim jong.

how do you see it die soon?

 

Posted Oct 31, '12 at 9:47am

partydevil

partydevil

5,090 posts

my bad, he is almost 30

 
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