The reason I dont like the Wii is because it took all the good nintendo games and made them into some game where you had to use your hands and move your body and ultimately look like a *******

All my favorite games ended up turning into garbage after the Wii came out.

I used to love Super Mario World and Mario bros but then everything turned into some kid nonsense where everything had to be morally right in some way and I just didnt care for it.
Story lines ended up getting weird and you could tell that nintendo was running out of ideas.

Like luigis mansion and Mario sunshine, obviously they were scraping the bottom there.

It ended up like this

Best
NIntendo game: Mario Bros 3 then the equivalent now is New Super Mario Bros and its just messed up and way harder then the normal mario bros

Super Nintendo: Super Mario World and Donkey Kong Country was the best
the new donkey Kong is pretty lame and there was a dispute with rare and nintendo and rare left. And the way I see it is DKC was all rare and you cant have a Donkey Kong without rare.

Nintendo 64: Super Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie: Since banjo Kazooie is on the Xbox now its pretty sweet. But ever since they threw Wario into Mario 64 I was like WTF a normal evil character greedy gold hungry guy now is trying to stop Bowser. WTF I started to hate all the cross-overs that began to happen in the nintendo world.

Game Cube: Super Smash Bros Melee was my favorite. Probably the only game I liked to play on the gamecube

All the handheld games like the DS and Gameboy (advance, sp whatnot) the only games I ever really liked to play were the remakes of originals like Mario World and Mario Bros. But I did like Warioland 3 and 4 they were awesome. LIke normal mario but darker and not so much for kids

Yes..but if the game is forced upon you when buying the console..that shouldn't count towards the games sales/give it a title of best selling game of all time

The game's not free, you know. It's obviously included in the price. Therefore, if you buy the bundle, you buy the game that's included with the bundle, which  should count for it's sales.

If someone didn't want the bundle, they wouldn't have bought the thing in the first place.
Not to mention it kept selling even after other bundles were released, which tells out quite a bit.

Sure we can, we just can't objectively decide what "title quality" even is.

We can't discuss something we can't even agree on a definition for. That's literally impossible. If you want to twist words enough you can argue that any game isn't a good game and this whole discussion is pointless.

It's better to talk about "desirability" or something like that then. And both sales and reviews have to do with that. My point being that loads of very desirable games for a majority of the community weren't available for the Wii.

The game's not free, you know. It's obviously included in the price. Therefore, if you buy the bundle, you buy the game that's included with the bundle, which  should count for it's sales.

But it was the only option if I wanted a Wii early on, which accounts for the great majority of those Wii Sports sales. People were buying the Wii, Wii Sports happened to tag along.

maybe because the games are too casual

Nothing is wrong with Nintendo. They just make games with everyone in mind. Other games please a smaller crowd more, but Nintendo pleases a large crowed decently.

A lot of things are wrong with Nintendo. They rehash IPs like there's no tomorrow, the Wii U is a disaster, nobody cares about 3D, I could go on.

But:

A. A lot of things are wrong with the other companies too;
B. A lot of things are also right with Nintendo;
C. Nintendo is nowhere near going bankrupt or something of the sort.

Personally I see the 3DS as a really appealing handheld. At first I was skeptical (Just another 3d gimmick) but I was surprised. The 3D (If done properly) is much better than I thought. When I played Fire emblem I actually felt like the 3D was 100% worth it. And even without the 3D I feel like the console is incredibly cheap and has some amazing titles going for it. I think it's about to launch off soon.

As for the Wii U I haven't decided yet. I feel like nintendo is going in the right direction but it can't shake off all the hate it gets from hardcore gamers. Just needs a few more amazing titles.

My problem with the 3DS is kind of abstract. There's nothing wrong with the console itself, it's a solid handheld in practice, it's building a library, but the whole 3D aspect is just misguided. It's a gimmick from Nintendo, yet again, and in my experience with very little utility or purpose. Was this really necessary? Maybe we could be playing a handheld with superior hardware at the same price if Nintendo didn't feel the need to add that little quirk. Perhaps the 3DS would be easier to develop for and we'd have a better library.

It's a sort of Wii situation. Nintendo keeps attempting to anticipate the "evolution of gaming" with frankly unimpressive, undercooked ideas, at the expense of game quality and availability. Apart from the initial wow-factor and aesthetic appeal, what does 3D really add to a game? It's just a weak concept to build an entire console around.
So weak, in fact, that the console itself has a little switch that lets you turn the 3D off. A little slider that lets you turn off the entire freaking point of the console. Didn't that look like a little red flag when they were designing it? Maybe something you can so inconsequentially throw away isn't all that big of a deal.

Just needs a few more amazing titles.

That's quite an understatement. The Wii U is competing against consoles with years of better, more extensive game libraries, better online play and established consumer communities. And non-retarded controllers. There's just very little appeal to get the Wii U over its competitors, and really very little appeal at all, given that we're so close to the next generation.

The only hypothetical scenario where the Wii U suddenly does extremely well is one where it gets all the same games as the other two current-gen consoles AND an absurd amount of fantastic exclusives, and even then it's only really got until the PS3 and XBox 720 come out.
At which point it's on life support, forgotten for months on end, in between the releases of the newest Zelda, Mario or Metroid games. Much like the Wii itself had been for awhile, just prior to the Wii U coming out.

I want to be wrong! I really do. I want Nintendo to have something massive up their sleeve. I want them to have a secret button in Nintendo headquarters that activates all the Wii Us' secret next-gen processors worldwide. I want them to be developing right now a ton of amazing titles that totally justify the stupid tablet thing. I want them to make the Virtual Console into the greatest online console store ever.

But I'm skeptical.

Nintendo seems to only appeal to its fan base and keep creating remakes of what used to be successful games. I think if Nintendo would just think outside the box and create something that wasn't Mario themed or Zelda themed, something that was actually good. Something that didn't seem like a flash game on a console then I think they would be significantly better.

Also I heard that Apple may be buying out Nintendo, not sure if there is truth to that but i think if they teamed up then Nintendo would sky rocket. Because I have Apple products not Nintendo products