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Cenere
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Welcome to the Art Skills Competition.

As always, there are a few rules that needs to be followed for proper judging, viewing and general fairness.

Competition Rules
- All major parts of the entry must be original material, unless otherwise stated. Heavy references, sources and other visible influences should be credited as per normal forum courtesy.
- Submissions must follow the current theme to be judged, and must be drawn for that theme specifically. You cannot submit something you drew prior to the theme being announced
- Please do not post entries larger than 670 pixels in width. If your art is larger, post a thumbnail and link to the larger version.
- Artists cannot win in subsequent rounds, but are allowed to enter said rounds.
- Entries can be drawn in any medium available.

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gaboloth
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I could argue that if judging can be done following such descriptive and strict guidelines, one could do just it himself with no difference. Maybe judging is more meaningful if you get to hear someone's feelings and opinions rather than just an objective analysis of the piece? Of course this would make judgings more subjective, and one could not care about random people's opinions, but as long as the artist has a good opinion of the judge's artistic knowledge, I think it's much preferable.
(in case you were wondering, I'm pretty much blathering as well.)

Reton8
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I could argue that if judging can be done following such descriptive and strict guidelines, one could do just it himself with no difference.


I get what your saying, I think. Something like, art isn't just an algorithm or set of criteria. If it were a computer program could just be set up to do the judging, which is very "un-art-like".

I guess I just liked the way I learned how to break down a piece of art in my course. It's not the only way, but It was a solid way to make one's thoughts (on a piece of art) tangible.

I don't know if humanities is a standard and I doubt that even &quotrofessional artists" break down their own pieces as much as some critiques. (Do artists really say to themselves before starting a work, "I want to use a lot of chiaroscuro in this piece to add weight and a sombre tone."? I don't know.)


if you get to hear someone's feelings and opinions rather than just an objective analysis of the piece?


I was also trying to get at each piece is individual. Judging should be flexible to each piece. That's why defining a genre/style is important. A semi-abstract work might not be a very good photo-realistic work, but that wasn't the goal of the artist when they decided to make a semi-abstract piece. So it'd be inappropriate to say,"the people in your piece didn't have faces and they didn't look real. There was no shading at all." When the piece was done like that on purpose, with reason.

Looking at the subject and theme is very important too, but difficult. The judge can't be in the artists head. Doesn't good art usual have a purpose, theme, subject, some sort of reasoning behind it (or no reasoning behind it for the sake of having no reason which might be a reason in and of itself? Like a commentary on art? I'm blathering like Doofenshmirtz again.)

What if the theme for the week's contest is trains and a contestant enters a drawing of a turtle. I feel a good judge would research/ask the contestant why. If the contestant has a solid reason to relate turtles to trains, the piece may end up having greater depth or have a powerful message behind or at least be unique, but if the contestant just says "I like turtles."
then the contestant has failed to find a subject or theme and convey it.

I guess I care about this because I cringe when I see judging that only looks at the surface or tries to force all art into one genre and if it doesn't fit that genre it's not good. And I've seen it happen a lot on the forums and I feel bad for contestants who work hard on a piece only to be told it was bad because it should have been colored blue and done in photoshop instead of ink. But judging is difficult too, and time consuming. So although I do cringe, I still appreciate any judge who has spent time doing so. Blathering again.

Well, TLDR. but, my thoughts on the subject.
Reton8
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then the contestant has failed to find a subject or theme and convey it.* within the contest rules at least.

Strop
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There was one little issue. When this was attempted for the haiku contest (the roster thing), the contest ended up in smoke, with Murasaki and Emp left to pick up the pieces. Basically, every roster judge ended up vanishing or quitting, and there wasn't a back up plan to fall back on.


Agreed, I'm aware that it's often difficult to maintain a sense of commitment here. There's no substitute for being able to deliver when the time comes but the best laid plans of mice and men... so yes we'll need a backup. After registrations of interest, we'll talk about who's available when. A model of permanent judge with backup may be the way to go. Or I may simply encourage people to be vocal about their unavailability early rather than later. It may end up being like a round of job interviews lol.

As for judging:

The Art Skills Competition is only as strong as the skills of the judge


This pretty much summarises the various ups and downs of the contest. The ASC is busiest when the judge makes incisive and detailed comments on each piece. People also complain the most (or participate the least) when they feel they were ignored or glossed over, which indicates that the judge should ideally be somebody who is at least versed in art. I'm somewhat with reton8 on this one, in that it's worth using industry-standard concepts (I wouldn't strictly adhere to the terminology), but at the same time I also think that it may not be 100% relevant to this particular contest to attempt to judge objectively via industry standard, so much as using those concepts to enhance people's understanding of why one might highlight the virtues of one piece over the rest. That's what I was shooting for in my explanation on the previous page.
Bronze
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I didn't need to think long with this theme. AG is known for its flash games, so the obvious thing was to draw something related to that. And so I drew up this:

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss282/BronzeCAE09/galiant.jpg

If you can't guess or don't know, that is Galiant the Paladin from the first Sonny and the evil Baron Brixius behind him. My two favorite flash game characters, and they are also a big reason I joined AG.

I tried to keep Galiant as close to as his in game character as possible, but with a few change ups. All in all, I feel like it is just OK. I'm a little iffy on how I managed the shining blues and reds, but they could be worse.

daleks
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I respect everyone I know, it's a principle of mine. Do onto others, and all that jazz.

You seem to be harder on yourself than other people Cen. Anyway, isn't this an art thread? More art people! Or talk through art or something.
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http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/020/b/6/ag_elephant_by_hectichermit-d5s70uq.png

If you don't know this character then you lack AG fandom...because its in several games

gaboloth
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http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee446/gaboloth/img038_zps30e903e8B_zps6f6d3dc4.jpg

Vandheer Lorde, from one of the best games of AG. I know it's terrible and unoriginal, I'm pretty much just uploading it to raise the entry number. :P

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@Bronze
Nice pic. I like it. Dont worry about the glowing part, I wouldnt have noticed anything had you not brought attention to them. My one complaint is that the black left hand is hard to see with the black backdrop, but that isnt a big deal. Good work.
@Hectichermit
..Good job :P
dont have much else to say.
@gaboloth
Thats good too! although, this way it does look like he has an unusually large chest. Maybe moving the arm up a bit could help...?

Nice work overall guys! Im gonna go back to my exams now. Dont expect anything from me. Its funny how anytime I say i might do something, crazy stuff happens that makes me not....

Strop
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It'd be nice if we had a few more entries by the close, which is, as you know, the end of Saturday.

daleks
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It'd be nice if we had a few more entries by the close, which is, as you know, the end of Saturday.

There have been lots of times though that there were very few posts. Actually the most I think was around 6 or something.
Cenere
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It'd be nice if we had a few more entries by the close, which is, as you know, the end of Saturday.

Just for you, then, Strop.
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5054/img0023fe.jpg
^Placeholder until I bother scanning it.

You seem to be harder on yourself than other people Cen

Not my fault no one else wants to uphold such gentlemanly practices, is it.

Anyway, isn't this an art thread? More art people! Or talk through art or something.

The irony of that post, in between two pictures, after several pages of art discussion. And the post includes no art nor art discussion.

I'd post but right now I'm too lazy to go figure out what the rules are.

They pretty much come down to "draw something that fits the theme, for the theme, in time of the theme."
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Heartbroken sushi cat.
http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv296/goumas13/Sushicat_zpsa92e6191-1_zps43539bf3.jpg

Strop
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I have a sketch of my character posed as Phoenix Wright and yelling "Objection!" although I'm saving it for when someone posts something in a thread that is completely wrong or irrelevant.


It would be really funny if you had tried to submit that to this round of the competition, because it would have been completely irrelevant to the theme at hand haha.

This said, I'd like to remind people of the aim of the contest (at least as I saw it): like in Iron Chef, the winner is the person who best articulates the theme, which means that it's one thing to draw a subject, but the secret to success lies in the portrayal. You'll see in my commentary that I will focus mainly on whether/how much your submission evokes a sense of greatness or "greatest".

Okay cool, carry on then!
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Well, I admit that I had no idea what to draw this round. I tried to think about something, but I wasn't quite successful. So I drew this: me trying to figure out the meaning of the words "AG's greatest". Does this fit the theme?

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q550/kegaumongo/AGsgreatestreduit_zps30b5dff3.jpg

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