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to attack in Iran or to not attack in Iran

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 7:22am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

As soon China gets involved, world war incomming.

The USA has overthrown over 30 governments that it deems unfit to dwell near it's borders. It has bases in over a hundred nations, so a logical corollary would be to assume that the USA itself is a threat would it not? China is only doing what it can to nullify and curtail why it deems as unnecessary influence near it's own border. Extrapolating this to the Westphalian idea of sovereignty and juxtapose this with neorealism, is it that hard to live with a better armed China, whom if one might reinforce again, is also highly dependent on the US to survive? China has often stepped back as a leading player on the global stage, it is much happier leaving international affairs up to the USA.

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 8:02am

danielo

danielo

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they do forbided doing something in syria. them and russia. so no, i dont think that China is a "good little boy who just want to make friends". they want to be a big player too. and not only trade agreements.
i dont say they are evil and Usa are angels, but they choosed sides. and russia was always kind of a parthner to the anti israeli nations.
in 48' they helped us, but after they tought that the arabs will swip us to the sea they choosed the arabs. so know they want assad to stay, and im not sure what will be ther reation to do something in Iran. as it seems, putin want to make a new soviet russia, or even a new kingdome.

USA need to feel threaten. when a boxer is in teh top, he need to know that everyone will want to fight him and be in the top themselve.

and nicho, labour did allay the likud this knesset. next year they wont, because the new leader, yahimuvich is a stronger and more left winger. and in the next election, i hope that she and yair lapid with his party, and kadima may create a strong left wing goverment. unless something will happen, like a war with hammas of something.
hammas and hizablla dont want a left wing goverment too you know. if we will talk they will lose there power. so if they will start shooting us, the racism and hate will rise there ugly heads again and move the people to the right wing. but today, as people are more conserne about the prices get higher and stuff like this, i hope that they will know to vote to the correct party.

all these right wingers are so full with air. Liberman is the one you need to be affraid off, not the religios. they dont even come to votes about these stuffs, unless they get a deal.
Liberman on the other end, get all the votes of the russians {he is russian and alot of his party member are}, he show strengh {he know how to talk} adn he also have some ideas that a unsusoicios listenr can even agree with. but he do support a "transfer" of the israeli-arabs to jordan and stuff. him you need to care for, not the settlers and there wierdos leaders.

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 9:22am

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,177 posts

Knight

Isn't Hizbollah a Lebanese party? Fatah is left wing as far as I know.

China has no intentions of being the world policeman. It is pretty happy being the hegemon in South Asia, but it doesn't extend it's military might across the world like the US does, nor does it have a world domination plan. It merely
wants to retake the mantle it has worn for centuries, being at the centre of the system like the Middle Kingdom where other lesser nations are invited to have ties with it.

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 11:17am

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

but they choosed sides

and if it isn't your side then it's a thread?

silly americans.
you are the guys that want to dominated to world not china.

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 2:46pm

danielo

danielo

1,397 posts

i am not american silly devil who party.
sure usa want to dominate. as china, N.korea, India, France, Russia, and every other regional power or one who'v been one.
its not a curse.

and a strong Iran is a treat to the western world and western life style. jeffery will propbely get executed, i will be dead too or maybe only in jail, and none of you will ever be able to say an opinion diffrunte to what the leaders say its the truth. even the muslims in you may get in trouble if they are in the "wrong" Istlam. remmember, Iran is not a democracy. and not even a simple dictatorship. they are a Theocracy. Haminai is the leader, and he his the religius leader too. he declear the religion rules, and they are sacred. if he will say that wearing blue is a sin which bring death sentence, many of his followers will kill blue shirt wearer.

they do have politics, but its a bolshivic politics. politics inside the only party. but yet, if Haminai wont like one of the politicans, he wont stay there for long.

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 2:54pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,086 posts

Knight

So only because they get a bomb, they suddenly become a major influence at a global scale and are in position to enforce their opinion everywhere? It's been already said before: they're surrounded by countries who have the bomb, it's their right to have one too; and even North Korea didn't launch their bombs yet, so don't get your pants wet.

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 3:50pm

danielo

danielo

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the case of north korea is that there leader love too much the good life. they live in a golden palace, while the poor citizens dont even know whats going on out there.

i dont say that everyone with an atomic bomc shoot it. its more like a shield that a rocket.

and again, i fear they will help assad, and he will own them so much, that actualy they going to take over syria, make him their puppy.
russia preety much help them, even if now less, but yet they sell them wepones. and to syria. and china, well, i dont sure about them yet, but they will choose side. they want to be a super power so muc hthat they cant became natural.
and then my friends, the heat is rising. because, as i said befor, Iran will start going to adventures. if they have an atomic bomb, tehy can blockade the persian channle. what we will do? attack them?  no. they have an atomic bomb. they can invade to Iraq. what we will do? they will grab us in the balls once they havve atomic bomb.
its sound like crying wolf wolf, but its 1938 all over again. you say "what can go wrong?". you know what, lets wait and see. no, have a bet. if Iran will make you run out of oil, and later move the world to a big war {not necessery a world war}. i get 10 box. if not, yo get 10 box.

i just can tell you, that there is a Proverb in Israel, which say "Masada shall not fall again". we wont let anyone bully us again. we are like this nerd kid who learn karate. we wont sit and say "nah, nothing wrong gonna happenn. the "nation" people will see that he is wrong and replace him/he will calm down after some time/the Messiah will come". no, that gone.

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 4:13pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,086 posts

Knight

and again, i fear they will help assad, and he will own them so much, that actualy they going to take over syria, make him their puppy.

They can give him asylum, but I doubt they could help him and take over Syria; they'd find too much resistance. Russia will block Western interventions but they won't intervene directly, the rebels will defend themselves. Not to mention the ****storm of international critique Iran would get by such an action; not that they would care much, but they'd be basically tripping themselves up, diplomatically speaking. 

you say "what can go wrong?".

No. I'm saying you have no right to attack them. I say we keep a sharp eye on Iran, but currently we cannot do much.

i just can tell you, that there is a Proverb in Israel, which say "Masada shall not fall again". we wont let anyone bully us again. we are like this nerd kid who learn karate. we wont sit and say "nah, nothing wrong gonna happenn. the "nation" people will see that he is wrong and replace him/he will calm down after some time/the Messiah will come". no, that gone.

The nerd learns karate for self-defence in case the bully comes again. You cannot attack the bully only because you think he might do something in the future. That'd make you a bully yourself. Keep an eye on the bully, keep practising karate, but don't just attack him on suppositions. There is a whole population behind the bully, and not all support the government. Have you thought about them?

 

Posted Aug 26, '12 at 7:44pm

danielo

danielo

1,397 posts

sure i did. im against the attack, i just give you stuff to think about. i agree with alot of things you say.

but for your first paragraph, Iran did send troops to Syria, teh Rebels said that they captured a Patrol units, while Iran did said the Rebels had Iranian POW, but said tehy were Journalists.
here the link .

 

Posted Aug 28, '12 at 12:19am

tomertheking

tomertheking

1,143 posts

You cannot attack the bully only because you think he might do something in the future. That'd make you a bully yourself.

But that will make you a survivor, unlike others who attacked only when they've been attacked.

 
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