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Posted Aug 15, '12 at 5:33pm

EmperorPalpatine

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This is NOT an evolution debate, as both sides are in agreement that the process is fact.

I have a question for the select Christians who claim that science and Christianity can coexist; more specifically the ones who claim that evolution is driven by the Abrahamic God. According to Christianity, the creation story of how Adam and Eve sinned and therefore sin was born into everyone else is the main reason why Jesus was sent to die on earth, to absolve the original sin. Without that story taken as literal truth, does Christianity fall apart?

 

Posted Aug 16, '12 at 3:39am

thebluerabbit

thebluerabbit

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im not sure but now that i read that sentence and think about it. if that sin was forgiven why do women still give birth in great pain and men (also women) have to work for food?

 

Posted Aug 16, '12 at 3:42am

Masterforger

Masterforger

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Indeed, why are we even able to sin? Because if we were created in God's own image, he must be as stuffed up as the rest of us.

 

Posted Aug 18, '12 at 12:41am

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

I was hoping to see someone who held this belief first post but it doesn't look like that will happen.

From what I'm reading on apologetics sites is that Adam and Eve committing the original sin is just a metaphor for all of humanity falling. In this sense it wasn't just a single action by a single couple but a series of actions and behaviors that corrupted the soul (whatever that is) and this corruption was passed down in a spiritual sense.

Honestly these sites still aren't making much sense to me.

 

Posted Aug 18, '12 at 3:50am

Bladerunner679

Bladerunner679

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I used to believe that, to be honest. I always thought evolution answered how instead of why, but the sad fact is the belief that evolution was driven by god is the spiritual equivalent of walking on thin ice. eventually, you will fall into the water, because evolution contradicts so many things that the bible has taught. if you want to still believe in god, then you will have to abandon your belief. I didn't, and now I'm an atheist opposing what I once held so dear to me.

-Blade

 

Posted Aug 18, '12 at 8:25am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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From what I'm reading on apologetics sites is that Adam and Eve committing the original sin is just a metaphor for all of humanity falling

I would then point out that Romans 5:12-17 and Genesis 5:5 directly state that Adam is a singular person. The geneology of Jesus (Luke 3:23-38) also confirms this.

 

Posted Aug 18, '12 at 9:09am

nichodemus

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@Emperor

Different denominations elieve in different things; it's just a mater of people selecting phrases to help them justify their claim. The whole evangelical idea was cobbled together by some 19th century settlers from unrelated sections to justify their beliefs for instance.

 

Posted Aug 18, '12 at 1:17pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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it's just a mater of people selecting phrases to help them justify their claim.

I want to know if there are any scriptural phrases that can justify such claims direcly, or if they're simply making it up and finding what they want to be there without reason. For example, to explain Looney Tunes, it could be said that Elmer Fudd was riddiculed for his speech impediment and decided to take cocaine. He was high when he went hunting and thought the animals were talking. This is equally unbacked, yet it explains some things.

 

Posted Aug 18, '12 at 1:37pm

nichodemus

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Proponents of biblical inerrancy often prefer the translations of Timothy 3:16 that render it as "all scripture is given by inspiration of God," and they interpret this to mean that the whole Bible is inerrant.

However, critics of this doctrine think that the Bible makes no direct claim to be inerrant or infallible. Some argue the same sentence can also be translated "Every inspired scripture is also useful..." nor does the verse define the Biblical canon. In context, this passage refers only to the Old Testament writings understood to be scripture at the time it was written.

 

Posted Aug 19, '12 at 5:58pm

joeyman2

joeyman2

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@Masterforger

people are able to sin because we are people NOT robots
we have a choice of what we do
robots dont
he GAVE us the ability to decide NOT the ability to do exactly as we are told ALL the time
because if we did we wouldnt be human, we would be robots.

 
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