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Posted Aug 24, '12 at 12:28pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,119 posts

Knight

All changed, so your* point.

 

Posted Aug 24, '12 at 1:18pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,097 posts

ive worked from my 7 year old in the printing house of my parents.
was i a child and did i work? yes.
was it child labour? no.
i had fun working. and learned alot about what my parents did when i was goofing around town.
i had respect for people who worked. while my classmates still thought that working was a waste of time.

if you let kids only play play and play. then they come in a culture shock the moment we demand them to work.
and usualy we trow all those problems on the "they are a teener" argument.

 

Posted Aug 24, '12 at 5:28pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

Being taught your father's/mother's craft from an early age so as you can continue the tradition is child labour to you?

It is if you make them work for more then X hours, depending on your job and state.

How hard do you work?

Harder then a kid like you ever will.

Do you even work at all?

All summer - except for a little off time. I am actually starting my week of off time before school this week.

Have you even seen an honest hour of simple, unquestionable work, like stacking firewood or studying a book thoroughly?

Yes, I have done like a thousand hours in the last two years of doing things most states hire illegal immigrants to do for a little more then they get. What have you done, exactly?

Think about the contexts. It's all about the circumstances; calling it child labour when you're already a full fledge adult at 15 seems parochial. Kings took power personally even younger than that; and peole dropped dead before they grasped at a fourth decade of life. It would be supremely unfair to claim that such work in the past was child labour. It's also rather foolish to jump on what Forger said and claim he is seething at child labour laws. That's an incredible leap you made, and it didn't make a modicum of sense in lambasting him.

Of course due to the caprices of the global economy and our perceptions of social structure due to longer life spans and changing social roles, this has all
changed so your my point of us having little reason to be angry at teens spending time so "frivolously" might hold water and is defensible. But it is abit tiring seeing you take an unrelated point and spin it into something insidious.

Oh! So we are talking about the 19nth century then? No? Then it does not matter. We are talking about modern times, at least in the past hundred years, it makes no since to state something like "The Ancient Egyptians children where very well behaved!"

ive worked from my 7 year old in the printing house of my parents.
was i a child and did i work? yes.
was it child labour? no.
i had fun working. and learned alot about what my parents did when i was goofing around town.
i had respect for people who worked. while my classmates still thought that working was a waste of time.

Great! Since it worked for you, rich middle class person, it must work for everyone! Right? That is how it works, right?

if you let kids only play play and play. then they come in a culture shock the moment we demand them to work.
and usualy we trow all those problems on the "they are a teener" argument.

Are we talking about our generation now? After all, you still have not said it yet...

 

Posted Aug 24, '12 at 9:41pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,119 posts

Knight

Oh! So we are talking about the 19nth century then? No? Then it does not matter. We are talking about modern times, at least in the past hundred years, it makes no since to state something like "The Ancient Egyptians children where very well behaved!"

Forger was talking about the medieval context initially before switching to the modern concept. Please read before going off track again with your silly arguments.

 

Posted Aug 25, '12 at 2:15am

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,633 posts

Great! Since it worked for you, rich middle class person, it must work for everyone! Right? That is how it works, right?

I do not believe rich, middle class people work in printing houses. Just saying.

Are we talking about our generation now? After all, you still have not said it yet...

No, we're talking about 18th century munchkins! Because they definitely had video games, right?
Of course he is talking about the current time frame.

 

Posted Aug 25, '12 at 6:14am

partydevil

partydevil

5,097 posts

don't waste your time on him masterforger.
he always take everything out of context.

 

Posted Aug 25, '12 at 11:42am

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

Forger was talking about the medieval context initially before switching to the modern concept. Please read before going off track again with your silly arguments.

Now that would just be stupid, wouldn't it? Why would be talking about the dark ages at all?

I do not believe rich, middle class people work in printing houses. Just saying.

Your probably richer then most of the farmers I know...

No, we're talking about 18th century munchkins! Because they definitely had video games, right?

Wait, Nico just said that you WHERE talking about the dark ages. Can't you guys agree on anything?

 

Posted Aug 25, '12 at 11:44am

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,633 posts

?
I am not even going to grace any of your posts with answers anymore. You seem to be unable to understand context, irony, sarcasm, or plain information.

 

Posted Aug 25, '12 at 11:50am

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,119 posts

Knight

Now that would just be stupid, wouldn't it? Why would be talking about the dark ages at all?

As a comparison to today's youths, and then (falsely) juxtaposing it to laziness today. I dont agree with his point, but I most certainly think you're just meaning around or are so inundated with your own incredible leaps of logic that you
Somehow think he is supporting child labour. Indeed I don't even  know if you're playing Devil's Advocate or really can't understand a simple argument.

 

Posted Aug 25, '12 at 12:11pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

I am not even going to grace any of your posts with answers anymore. You seem to be unable to understand context, irony, sarcasm, or plain information.

Oh no. I will lose out on the grace of Masterforger's posts. Such a shame.

As a comparison to today's youths, and then (falsely) juxtaposing it to laziness today. I dont agree with his point, but I most certainly think you're just meaning around or are so inundated with your own incredible leaps of logic that you
Somehow think he is supporting child labour. Indeed I don't even  know if you're playing Devil's Advocate or really can't understand a simple argument.

"No, we're talking about 18th century munchkins! Because they definitely had video games, right?
Of course he is talking about the current time frame."

He seems to think otherwise, and since he isn't going to respond to my posts, that is what I am going with.

 
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