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I've been contemplating making this thread for quite some time, because I'm not sure how many people here aside from myself actively go to the gym or workout.

Well, here's a topic where you can talk about a wide range of topics relating to health and fitness. What you do when you workout, your gym experiences, when you started working out, how much you can lift, what you did today while working out/at the gym, etc.

It's always good to be healthy and physically fit, so if you don't currently workout and are lazy, I'd recommend getting into a routine. It does wonders for your body and you'll feel amazing. If you're worried about time or money, don't be. A gym membership only costs around 20 dollars at a local gym and if you have time to be on the internet, you should have time to go to the gym.

As I talk about these topics, at the bottom of some of them I'll be posting some links to reading material on the subject.

Some starting topics:

What supplements are good to use?
I personally only use creatine monohydrate. Whey protein and some other types of protein supplements are good, but I only see those as necessary if you're not intaking enough protein from food.

What creatine monohydrate does is it improves performance and makes you heal more quickly by retaining water in the muscles. Creatine is naturally found in the body, this just enhances it. The only real con to using creatine is having problems with your kidneys, but that's only if you don't drink enough water. You're supposed to drink around a gallon of water a day while on it.

When using creatine, expect to gain 5-10 pounds in water weight and look more swole. Why? Because it retains water in your muscles.

There's been some discussion regarding if you should cycle creatine or not. What that means is if you take it for let's say three months, some people think you should stop taking it for a few weeks, around two weeks. It's not necessary. What you're basically doing is just taking all that creatine that improves performance and heals you more quickly out of your body.

No, creatine is not steroids. When I usually tell people who don't workout that I use creatine, they think it's steroids.

Creatine
Creatine monohydrate

What exercises are good to do at home/that don't involve weights?
Pushups, dips, pullups, squats, planks, crunches, and calve raises. Those are exercises that'll workout your whole body without weights.

Pushups for chest, shoulders, biceps, and triceps. Dips specifically target triceps. It depends on how you do pullups, certain ways will target muscles more than others, but they usually work the back and biceps. By certain ways, I mean underhand and overhand grip. The underhand grip (palms facing you) and having your hands close together will work the biceps more, while overhand and having your hands around shoulder width or wider will do more back action.

Those are good if you don't currently have a gym membership, but most of them are only good for so long. Pullups and dips are the best because they measure your true strength; pulling your entire body up and with dips lowering yourself and pushing up. If you can't already do a reasonable amount (I'd say 10 reps each) of pullups and dips, there's something wrong.

A good schedule for home exercises:
Sunday - Rest
Monday - Pushups and dips
Tuesday - Squats and calve raises
Wednesday - Pullups
Thursday - Dips and pushups
Friday - Squats and calve raises
Saturday - Pullups

You'll see a slight difference from Monday and Thursday. On Monday pushups is the primary, as in you do it first, and dips the secondary. And on Thursday it's the other way around. You also get a few rest days for those muscles alone with that schedule. Once you do a great pushup and dip workout, you don't want to do them again the next day. Your muscles require time to rest and grow.

Again, this will only get you so far. After about a month of doing this stuff it'll seem easy, which is why investing in a gym membership is excellent. It's around twenty dollars a month at most local gyms.

How many days of the week and how long should I workout?
Six days a week with one rest day is what I usually do and recommend. Gives you enough time to target specific muscles and you have a day where you don't do anything.

I also weight train for about an hour and a half then do twenty-thirty minutes of cardio. I don't think I'll increase either of those times, but if you're a beginner at the gym you may want to start lower. I'd say around forty-five minutes of weight training then fifteen minutes of cardio, then work your way up.

Believe me, the first week is very difficult. Halfway through the workout you'll probably feel very tired and sore, and the next day will be even worse. Once you wake up you'll wish that you hadn't worked out, but it pays off. Just stick with a solid schedule and you'll see.

What's good to do at the gym?
It depends on what you're doing there, as in what muscle(s) you're working out that day.

My schedule:
Sunday - Rest
Monday - Chest and shoulders
Tuesday - Biceps and legs
Wednesday - Back and traps
Thursday - Triceps and shoulders
Friday - Legs and biceps
Saturday - Back and traps

I do around 30 sets in total by the time I'm done, depends on the day. It's usually more sets on the days I do legs and biceps. I usually try to do three-four sets on most of the machines that will target those muslces and other things.

Chest and shoulders - 7 sets of flat or incline bench press, 3 sets of flies, 3 sets of seated chest press, 3 sets of seated chest press on another machine, and 3 sets of dumbbell press.
4 sets of shoulder press, 4 sets of seated incline shoulder press, and 4 sets of lateral raises.
Do as many pushups as you can do when you're done.

Biceps and legs - 3 sets of seated preacher curls, 3 sets of standing wide grip curls, 3 sets of standing close grip curls, 3 sets of regular dumbbell curls, 3 sets of hammer curls, and 3 sets of concentration curls.
5 sets of leg press, 5 sets of squats, 5 sets of quad curls, 10 sets of hamstring curls, and 5 sets of calve raises.

Back and traps - 3 sets of regular cable rows, 3 sets of wide cable rows, 3 sets of wide lat pulldowns, 3 sets of regular lat pulldowns, 3 sets of lat rows on machine, 3 sets of dumbbell rows, and 5 sets of deadlifts.
5-10 sets of shrugs and 5 sets of upright rows.
Do as many pullups as you can do when you're done.

Triceps and shoulders - 6 sets of close grip flat bench press, 4 sets of skullcrushers, 4 sets of tricep extensions, and 4 sets of tricep pulldowns.
4 sets of shoulder press, 4 sets of seated incline shoulder press, and 4 sets of lateral raises.
Do as many dips as you can do when you're done.

Legs and biceps - Legs is first and biceps is second, same exercises, but in a different order.

Back and traps - Same exercises, but in a different order.

I may have to do deadlifts on leg day though. I tried to do them earlier and was very tired. It was probably because I did legs yesterday and when doing deadlifts they require leg muscles.
Also, sometimes on back day I'll do extensions. Some people consider it an exercise, but I just use it loosen up my lower back. More of a stretch for me.
Image of back extensions

I'd also like to talk about the subject of traps. They don't help you that much with lifting, it's more of an aesthetic thing. Most people probably don't want to be walking around with a box body. Doing trap exercises makes a big difference in how your body will look.
Just take a look at these two photos:

No traps.
Big traps.

Does the 1 rep max matter?
Well, only on these three exercises: Bench press, deadlift, and squat. Otherwise, no, it doesn't matter. And on those exercises, don't go for your 1 rep max often. It tears a lot of muscle fibers and if you do that weekly you're bound to get injured. I personally only do it once or twice a month.

Anyway, mine are:
Bench press - 290 pounds
Deadlift - 315 pounds
Squat - 250 pounds

Those were the numbers last time I did went for my 1 rep max, which was a week or two ago. I just got back into squats, which is the reason why it's so low. Your squat should be somewhere around your deadlift, never lower than your bench, because your legs are supposed to be stronger than your upper body. But I'll probably get it there in a few weeks.

They say you're not truly strong with weights unless you can lift your body weight on those three exercises. I somewhat agree with that. You should be able to lift up your body weight on those exercises. You're using many muscles with them. I'd also consider being able to do a good amount of pullups and dips a good measure of strength.

What is good form?
It's not using your other muscles when you are trying to work a certain one. For instance, bicep curls. For the love of Talos don't jerk them around; don't use your back, legs, and keep your elbows in the starting position. The only thing that should be moving up is your arm.

Another is bench press. You want to go down and up nice and slow. Control the weight. Don't bounce if off of your chest, don't have a huge arch in your back, don't use your legs, and don't lift your butt off the bench. You're not even working chest anymore if you do those, and the only thing that'll happen over time is that you'll injure yourself. It's okay to have a small arch and pin your shoulders back slightly, but that's it.

It doesn't matter how much people can lift unless they do it with good form. You're not getting proper gains unless it's with good form.

Demonstration video for bicep curls
After that video, look at the featured videos list with her in them and watch.

Demonstration video for bench press

Breathing:
It's important to breathe when working out. I know you guys already breathe, but I mean properly breathing. Such as with bench press. Before you take the weight off the rack, take a deep breath, as you go down keep it in, then release as you go up, repeat. Exhale on the hard parts and inhale on the easy parts. The bench press video above shows how to breathe properly.

How often should I run?
Not that often. Running often will cause muscle atrophy. If you have some excess fat and want to get rid of it, I'd say run for around fifteen minutes a day or every other day. Otherwise you should only walk at a good speed at an angle to keep the blood flowing after weight training or jogging. I personally set the treadmill at an angle so it's like I'm walking up stairs, and I do it for twenty minutes. I tried running last week, and it takes too much out of me. I'm also worried that it'll mess up my gains, because prolonged running will damage your muscles over time.

Marathon runner and sprinter

The importance of stretching, core training, and resting:
I've found that stretching once you wake up and before you sleep helps loosens up your muscles, and when you do this you'll be able to lift weights without pain. I also think that it'll reduce the chances of you injuring yourself. I just do some basic stretches when I wake up and before I sleep for around ten-fifteen minutes.

Core training. This doesn't mean that you need to work for washboard abs. Just stregnthening your core. A strong core will allow you to lift weights easier and reduce the chances of getting a hernia. I do some core training every other day when it's night. I like to do a few sets of crunches and planks. I aim for 100-200 crunches and a few sets of 1-3 minute planks.

It's imperative to have at least one rest day, where you don't work out any of your muscles. It'll repair them and such. It's also good to get at least 8 hours of sleep. That's mostly when they'll repair.
Some people like to have a deload week, and those are good, but I wouldn't do them often. It's a week where you don't workout or do less than what you currently are. It's a solid week of resting and letting your muscle fibers repair themselves. I usually do it after a month of working out, the beginning of next month I'll have a deload week.

The deload week and why you should use it

Bodybuilding or powerlifting?
Well, I like to do both. I mix them in a month together. Such as one week I'll do bodybuilding and one week powerlifting, or sometimes I'll even do a few sets for reps only and a few for power, etc. Bodybuilding is when you go for reps and try to build more muscle.

While with powerlifting you're simply aiming for power. It'll get you stronger, but you won't see as much muscle growth as with bodybuilding. However I like both, mixing in high reps for muscle growth and low reps for power works wonders. Though if you just do one you'll see more results with them. Such as if you just bodybuild you'll build more muscle, and if you'll just build strength.

Bodybuilding
Powerlifting

Intermittent fasting:
Intermittent fasting is when you tell your body when to eat. Such as you eat 2-8 and fast/only drink water for the rest of the time. It's good for getting rid of stubborn fat. I did it for around three weeks before stopping, because I started going to the gym and I workout around noon, so if I were to do what I am now on an empty stomach, I'd probably puke.

How it works:
When you workout on an empty stomach, your body isn't going to use the food as resources, instead it'll use the fat. Then on your fasting period and you drink water, your body will retain it and you won't feel as hungry.

For the first few days you'll probably feel a little sick in your stomach, but that's natural. Your body has to adjust. My first week it felt like I was gonna puke after I ate my first meal, but I didn't and my body soon adjusted.

Note:
Intermittent fasting isn't a diet. You're just telling your body when to eat. It's imperative that you intake all your calories and protein in that eating window.

Intermittent fasting

What should I eat?
I keep my diet high protein and low fat. I'd suggest the same for everyone.

What I normally eat:
Breakfast: Oatmeal or cereal with tuna sandwich, cashews, and orange juice
Lunch: Turkey burger or lean ham/turkey sandwich, tuna, beans, rice, and fruit shake/smoothie
Dinner: Rice, chicken or steak, beans, vegetables, and tea

What I put in the shake/smoothie:
A cup or two of skim milk, 1 frozen banana, 2 strawberries, 2-4 blackberries, and 2 spoons of chocolate nesquik

Excellent health and fitness YouTube channels:
TwinMuscleWorkout
FastingTwins
Scooby1961

There are some others if you look, but those are the only ones I keep track of.

So, today at the gym my dad (workout partner) accidentally broke the cable row machine. He usually does the whole stack on the machines, but it seems like this one couldn't handle it and/or the wire was worn out. It was hilarious, because as it broke he fell backwards. It was around the start of our workout.

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So for the latter at least, the answer isn't obvious at all. If you really wanted to be healthy, then you should have something like: high levels of cardiovascular exercise + proper nutrition and caloric restriction

I'd consider my cardiovascular exercise to be moderate at best, since I only do medium speed walking for 30-40 minutes at an incline angle (five-six days a week). I also have proper nutrition and have recently introduced caloric restriction. I never closely monitored my caloric intake until about a week ago, and that's only because I'm cutting now, but I've always had a rough idea of how many calories I had a day.
Also, I mentioned the individual not training or having a regulated diet, so I think that I am healthier in comparison. But if you take a sprinter/anyone similar, they're most likely "healthier".

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No leg training or cardio today as my legs are still sore from the last leg training session. I recently discovered that my gym is open on Sundays (1-4pm), so I'll train tomorrow.
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Apparently my wrist positioning for back squats has been wrong. Start the video at around 14 minutes for explanation. I'll fix the form tomorrow and see how it turns out.

Now to do more research on the exercises I perform.

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I feel very energetic and generally great today. Feels amazing, man.

Okay, so after doing more research, I've decided to clean up my exercises and routine. Since my gym is open on Sundays I'll be able to train more appropriately. My routine will be:
Legs
Push
Pull
Rest two days then repeat

Cardio four days in a row, rest, repeat; 30-40 minutes of moderate paced walking, burn 300-400 calories

Core training on every first rest day

Rotator cuff work after every push day and forearm work after every pull day

I wasn't going to mention that in this post, but I felt like I should document it here. The rotator cuff and forearm work will be less than ten minutes each, they're just precautions I'm taking.

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Here's what I'll be doing for legs from now on (first leg day):
A:
Deadlifts x 5
Hex bar deadlifts x 5
Front squats x 5
Hamstring curls x 5
Standing calf raises x 3

B:
Back squats x 5
Front squats x 5
Hex bar deadlifts x 5
Hamstring curls x 5
Standing calf raises x 3

I won't be doing traditional deadlifts as often anymore, perhaps every other week or every two weeks due to it being very draining (won't be doing them at all currently because of tendinitis, I see the doctor tomorrow). I also want to focus more on my legs.

Second leg day (I did this one today):
Front squats x 5
Back squats x 5
Romanian deadlifts x 5
Hamstring curls x 5
Seated calf raises x 3

The push and pull day exercises aren't relevant at the moment, I'll mention them once I'm able to do upper body training again.

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Front squats:
185 - 5
205 x 4 - 3

Back squats:
225 - 6
250 - 4
280 x 3 - 3

Romanian deadlifts:
185 - 5
205 - 5
225 - 5
225 x 2 - 3

Hamstring curls:
75 - 10
75 - 8
75 - 6
65 - 8
65 - 6

Seated calf raises:
90 - 12
90 x 2 - 10

300 calories burnt on treadmill.

Everything felt great today considering I haven't done squats in about two weeks. I fixed my form on back squats and it felt much better; I was able to go below parallel and felt stronger (considering I did front squats first, I expected to do less weight on back squats).

Leg press is gone because the general consensus is that it's useless for intermediates+. Romanian deadlifts also felt better in my legs, it targets the hamstrings well.

Going below parallel had to do with me fixing my form and doing more stretching daily. I've been doing a lot of lower body stretching, usually two sessions lasting fifteen minutes each.

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You're doing Romanian deadlifts with tendinitis? Oh lawdy.

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It felt fine, no discomfort at all. It also wasn't a lot of weight. I could've done at least 50 more pounds for a working set, but I was just getting the form down.

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That's not the issue. If you're deadlifting with a weight significantly higher than you can curl, you have an increased risk for a tear or tendinitis. It'll usually happen the second your form is off base. And matters are only made worse when you already have an inflamed tendon.

It's not a good idea to be doing exercises involving significant forearm strength right now (even if the forearms are working purely as isometric stabilizers).

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True, I'll cut them out until the doctor says otherwise. I just wanted to test them out today since they're apparently a godly exercise for hamstrings.

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400 calories burnt on treadmill.

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I saw the doctor today. He mentioned something about lateral/medial tendinitis(?) and said to get an x-ray this week. He moved my arms around into various positions and felt around my elbows, said it doesn't appear to be that serious, but to abstain from upper body training for another week or two depending on how I feel. He told me to get this cream called blue emu and apply it 3-4 times daily, I got it and am going to put it on soon.

He also said that once I start doing upper body training again to use light weights and move up at my own pace. I'm not sure whether to do my routine lifting for upper body or what, so I sent Jason a message regarding this.

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That blue emu stuff is great.

Reply from Jason:
I'm not an expert on this a phisio could tell you best how to do it. I would start with 50% of your normal weights on upper body lifts and add 10% a week to be safe.

The deadlifts should be fine as that doesn't put stress on those particular tendons.


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Back squats:
225 - 8
280 - 4
280 x 3 - 3

Front squats:
185 x 2 - 5
185 x 2 - 4
185 - 3

Hamstring curls:
75 x 2 - 10
75 x 2 - 8
65 - 10

Standing calf raises:
200 - 12
200 x 2 - 10

400 calories burnt on treadmill.

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Going to get the x-ray done in about twenty minutes.

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I aspire to be like this guy, athletically speaking.

About seven more inches to go on my RVJ, and 250+ lbs on my squat. I'll try to do it within the next 2.5 years.

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They took three x-rays for each arm, said my doctor should have the results within 1-2 days.

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Nice squat. The bar or plates must weigh more than 45 each, because if those were 45 pound plates and the bar was 45 that'd equal up to 425 (if those are 10s on each side as well).

But I'm curious about those knee sleeves, been seeing a few squat videos with people wearing them. May have to invest in those and elbow sleeves for when I start lifting heavier.

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Now for my weight progress, I got back down to 250. On the 7th I weighed in at 255-257 (think it was because of all the liquids I drank during the two weeks I had the flu, maybe because of eating and being bedridden as well... real easy for me to gain weight if I do nothing), weighed myself this morning and I'm exactly 250. Scale could be over or under a pound though, the first time I weighed myself I was 251, then I did it again and was 250.

I've been following the template myfitnesspal gave me (except for protein, they have it too low); 2160 calories, 297 carbs, 72 fat, 92 protein. I try to get as close as possible on those except for protein, usually getting 2100-2200 calories, 290-310 carbs, 60-70 fat, and 120-150 protein.

Anything I should change? I'm not sure how accurate myfitnesspal is regarding this. I've read that I should get more protein, but it's impossible with food. I may have to buy a protein powder.

I have it set to lose 2lbs per week, if I don't change anything I should be ~245 by February. If I'm not then the way they have my calories and macros set up isn't working.

In terms of energy and how I feel, I feel more energetic and generally great. I don't feel hungry that often, no random tiredness, or anything bad.

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Nice squat. The bar or plates must weigh more than 45 each, because if those were 45 pound plates and the bar was 45 that'd equal up to 425 (if those are 10s on each side as well).


Count again. There are five plates on each side (I'm talking about the last squat in the video), along with a 2.5.

I've been following the template myfitnesspal gave me (except for protein, they have it too low); 2160 calories, 297 carbs, 72 fat, 92 protein. I try to get as close as possible on those except for protein, usually getting 2100-2200 calories, 290-310 carbs, 60-70 fat, and 120-150 protein.


Up your protein to around 180-200, lower your fats about 10 g, and change your carbs accordingly. Run that for a week. If you feel enervated, then revert to your original macros. You should typically be eating more protein on a cut than on a bulk, but that looks quite difficult given your caloric needs in comparison to your weight.
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Oh, didn't watch the whole video last time. Just saw "500lb squat" in the title and assumed it was the first one.

and change your carbs accordingly.

How much should it be? I don't know how to calculate this.

Yes, it's difficult to get that much protein with food currently, but I'll look for some protein powders tomorrow. I have around $60, should be able to find an affordable one.
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How much should it be? I don't know how to calculate this.


Fats = 9 kcal/g
Proteins = 4 kcal/g
Carbs = 4 kcal/g

Now take your calories, and, using what I said as a guideline, do some subtracting.
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I could have said this at any point in time in the last few months, but this thread has essentially become GhostofMatrix's lifting/dieting journal (with comments from a few other users). To that end I'm not sure this thread represents public interest, let alone reflects the breadth of the original title. If this thread had become documentation of several users engaging in a common practice and using the thread to keep pace, then I would have thought differently, but as far as I can tell, if anybody else is keeping up a lifting/cutting program, nobody's saying anything.

There's obviously nothing wrong with keeping a journal but keeping a thread in the form of a journal with continued advice from one single user (as far as I can see) suggests to me that the correspondence be more appropriately carried out elsewhere, such as on profile, or your progress even archived on a personal blog, which may garner more interest than from the demographic that visits this site, but more importantly returning the thread to some kind of common denominator level which is open to other users, as it purported to be.

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