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Posted Jan 16, '13 at 7:02pm

rayoflight3

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How much should it be? I don't know how to calculate this.

Fats = 9 kcal/g
Proteins = 4 kcal/g
Carbs = 4 kcal/g

Now take your calories, and, using what I said as a guideline, do some subtracting.

 

Posted Jan 17, '13 at 6:01am

Strop

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I could have said this at any point in time in the last few months, but this thread has essentially become GhostofMatrix's lifting/dieting journal (with comments from a few other users). To that end I'm not sure this thread represents public interest, let alone reflects the breadth of the original title. If this thread had become documentation of several users engaging in a common practice and using the thread to keep pace, then I would have thought differently, but as far as I can tell, if anybody else is keeping up a lifting/cutting program, nobody's saying anything.

There's obviously nothing wrong with keeping a journal but keeping a thread in the form of a journal with continued advice from one single user (as far as I can see) suggests to me that the correspondence be more appropriately carried out elsewhere, such as on profile, or your progress even archived on a personal blog, which may garner more interest than from the demographic that visits this site, but more importantly returning the thread to some kind of common denominator level which is open to other users, as it purported to be.

 

Posted Jan 17, '13 at 10:28am

GhostOfMatrix

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I mentioned in the opening post:
Well, here's a topic where you can talk about a wide range of topics relating to health and fitness. What you do when you workout, your gym experiences, when you started working out, how much you can lift, what you did today while working out/at the gym, etc.

Not many others here besides rayoflight3 and myself seem to care about the topic. Also, I'm not directly asking rayoflight3 all the questions, they're up for anyone else to answer or respond to if they want. And when others post, I try to respond to keep the subject going, but that rarely carries through.

I've been using it as a lifting journal yes, but I don't see how that could become an issue. In the opening post I mentioned you could keep track of your progress here. I don't see it as that different from AMW threads; where users create poetry/art threads and they're the only ones posting in it for massive amounts of time. The only thing that's different here is that I'm posting about my training. The topics here are also always related to health and fitness, where as the AMW threads go on tangents, sort of like profile comments. They're not always talking about poetry/art.

 

Posted Jan 17, '13 at 12:34pm

rayoflight3

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Strop isn't wrong in his analysis. If a random person were to click on this thread and go to the latest posts, he would have a high probability of stumbling upon several of your logs. There's little discussion to be had on how much you lift, and I'm sure that's why activity in this thread has been limited to you posting and me occasionally making remarks.

And this thread has never been about health, even from the start. The title just seemed to be a pretense, and in reality, all that has ever been talked about is "What you do when you workout, your gym experiences, when you started working out, how much you can lift, what you did today while working out/at the gym, etc."

But this is something I thought long before the other guy commented on this thread degenerating into your lifting journal. Not that I mind, but you'd probably be better off tracking your progress in a blog (as I do) or on bodybuilding.com, where more experienced individuals in the field can respond.

 

Posted Jan 17, '13 at 2:11pm

GhostOfMatrix

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When clicking on a thread you should first read the opening post to see what the topic is about.

I could do that, yes, but this is generally easier to navigate and read from. I don't see the issue in me keeping track of my progress here. I don't spam posts, I post every or every other day with an update and make sure it's not breaking the rules.

It's not that different from AMW threads. They have a topic about art, I have a topic about fitness. They post their art, I post my fitness updates. The main difference is that this thread can generate more topics, instead of just being about a single person's art. I threw in a bunch of topic starters in the opening post as well, but barely anyone decided to talk about them. They can be both seen as journals.

From the get go I mentioned this thread was to talk about fitness, gym stuff, and progress.

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400 calories burnt on treadmill.

I went to Walmart and got some protein. Two containers for around $36 altogether that should last a month to a month and a half depending on how much I take. If I take one scoop every day, it should last 24 days. One scoop of this protein is 26 grams of protein.

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 2:58am

Strop

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I don't want to drag this on unnecessarily, so I'll try to be brief:

There's a difference between intent and result. The intent was for a public discussion, the end result was that few people are interested in the level of detail of your exercise regimen as you are. I didn't even notice the user comment on page 41, rather I remember attempting to diversify the discussion slightly about 2 months ago but came back from my holiday to see nothing had changed. Furthermore referring to OP at this point when the current conversation has specialised to this point is pointless as a user would be under the impression that it had become "off-topic".

It's true that users have their own thread for their own creative output in AMW (though this is actually an exception to the general rule, since in all other places, particularly the Tavern, a thread focusing on the activity of a single user tends to be swiftly locked). I also do not want to discriminate against certain types of content purely because nobody else happened to be talking about it, provided it has potential for public discussion.

So I'd make the following recommendations:

1) This thread's a bit of a wrong message. It should be locked.
2) GhostofMatrix could start another (appropriately titled) thread centered around keeping a record of specific exercise regimens (lifting, even), but I suspect it would only be deemed viable if you were able to get interest from other users in it. No harm in trying, though.
3) At any point in time, AG users who aren't couch potatoes should start a separate thread talking about health and fitness in general, i.e. not just lifting, like the title originally implied.

I'm not unilaterally acting yet, but the only thing I can think that would change my mind is if different users were to suddenly inform me "hey, don't lock this thread, we don't post in it but we find this lifting journal useful and personally enriching!"

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 7:34am

Reton8

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I still want Strop's thoughts on this...

"Cheating" is a term that can only be applied if there's specific parameters as to how one acceptably achieves an outcome. In this case the prior poster asserted that there would be higher water content (assumedly hypertrophy, as opposed to hyperplasia), and so the gains would be size but not strength. I can't comment on this claim.

I thought hypertrophy was the increase in size of cells that make up human muscles, while hyperplasia was the increase in quantity or number of cells. Also, I thought that hyperplasia was either not possible for human muscle cells (after puberty) or only in extremely rare cases or with the use of drugs.

Wouldn't higher water content within muscle fibers be more like hypertrophy, if even that?

Seeing that Strop is studying to be a physician [and assuming that those going into the practice study human biology] I was highly anticipating an answer.

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 10:43am

GhostOfMatrix

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It's true that users have their own thread for their own creative output in AMW (though this is actually an exception to the general rule, since in all other places, particularly the Tavern, a thread focusing on the activity of a single user tends to be swiftly locked).

This thread isn't focused on the activity of a single user, it seems like that now because I've been logging my training here, but this thread is for everyone to discuss anything regarding health and fitness.

1) This thread's a bit of a wrong message. It should be locked.

What do you mean by wrong message? I read your post, but I don't understand how I'm sending the wrong message. I wanted (and still want) this thread to be about health and fitness, everything about those topics are welcome, but nobody is interested, so I'm making use of this thread by logging my training.

2) GhostofMatrix could start another (appropriately titled) thread centered around keeping a record of specific exercise regimens (lifting, even), but I suspect it would only be deemed viable if you were able to get interest from other users in it. No harm in trying, though.

You're saying I could make a lifting journal thread and it'd be okay if other users posted in it? If so, I doubt that'd work here. Barely anyone posts here and there are more topics that could be discussed.

I'm not unilaterally acting yet, but the only thing I can think that would change my mind is if different users were to suddenly inform me "hey, don't lock this thread, we don't post in it but we find this lifting journal useful and personally enriching!"

I doubt this would happen because of the above.

But if you decide to lock this, okay. This is the only thread I care about here, but I'm sure I'll be able to find other means of logging my training. It won't be as neat as this thread, but it'll have to do.

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 11:30am

rayoflight3

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What do you mean by wrong message? I read your post, but I don't understand how I'm sending the wrong message. I wanted (and still want) this thread to be about health and fitness, everything about those topics are welcome, but nobody is interested, so I'm making use of this thread by logging my training.

It is because you are logging that people are being deterred. It's difficult for users to start another discussion if the bulk of the posts are your training logs, especially now that we're 40+ pages in. I would assume that is partly why the Crossfit thread was posted separately.

This is the only thread I care about here, but I'm sure I'll be able to find other means of logging my training. It won't be as neat as this thread, but it'll have to do.

Post on bodybuilding.com. It'd definitely be neater AND more practical. Either that or a personal blog. I can't think of a single advantage this thread, which is posted under a community forum whose users are not necessarily inclined towards the topic, over those options.

 

Posted Jan 18, '13 at 11:56am

GhostOfMatrix

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I'll probably use bodybuilding.com, I've been lurking there for a few weeks now and am getting used to the layout and how things work.