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Jainism- Is it too much?

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 10:50am

masterperson

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Post your opinion here. Jains wear a mask to try to not breathe in animals in the air. They carry a mop, to sweep small bugs away, so they won't step and kill them. And of course they're vegan. Is this too much?

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 11:39am

nichodemus

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No, not all Jains, but only the most devoted carry out those. Many just stop at the diet level and a general mindset of non violence.

Why would Jainism be too much or excessive? It's more mellow and benign by the standards of religion; like many Oriental religions it's more prone to skepticism, always a plus point.

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 2:21pm

314d1

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No, not all Jains, but only the most devoted carry out those. Many just stop at the diet level and a general mindset of non violence.

Why would Jainism be too much or excessive? It's more mellow and benign by the standards of religion; like many Oriental religions it's more prone to skepticism, always a plus point.

While it may not do as much harm to others, it does harm to themselves. It is hardly logical to do many of the things that they do, from WIkipidia it sounds like they do things like filter water to avoid harming things that may be in it, in excessive ways. Their monks do what he said they do, like sweeping the ground before they walk in order to not hurt insects and not eating root vegetables. Many of those traditions are a bit excessive for those who carry them out excessively.

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 3:57pm

StDrake

StDrake

190 posts

Too much? Nah. Meet one and tell him - he's still killing plants.

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 4:15pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,978 posts

Meet one and tell him - he's still killing plants.

Nope, that's why they don't eat roots. They only eat non-vital parts, such as leaves or berries.

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 4:38pm

greenpeople2007

greenpeople2007

121 posts

I've been to a monastery, they are actually incredibly nice and down to earth. They don't seem to be overly malnourished. I don't see how that's too much. Also, areas of Asia have very very poor water quality, so super filtering your water makes sense. The whole roots thing, that is strange, but I don't eat potatoes so who am I to judge.

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 4:50pm

HahiHa

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Also, areas of Asia have very very poor water quality, so super filtering your water makes sense.

Maybe the notion of karma came from things like that? Things people did without knowing the real reason, but knew that it was better, and then turned into a tradition or ritual or whatever.

At first I thought the OP talking about those people living in cast systems in India or wherever that is, not breathing in insects because they think that would make them impure or whatever.. which of course is ridiculous since it discriminates the other 'casts'. This Jainism however doesn't seem particularly harmful.

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 9:33pm

nichodemus

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While it may not do as much harm to others, it does harm to themselves. It is hardly logical to do many of the things that they do, from WIkipidia it sounds like they do things like filter water to avoid harming things that may be in it, in excessive ways. Their monks do what he said they do, like sweeping the ground before they walk in order to not hurt insects and not eating root vegetables. Many of those traditions are a bit excessive for those who carry them out excessively.

How is this even excessive? And even if it is, how is it even harmful?

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 10:35pm

314d1

314d1

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How is this even excessive? And even if it is, how is it even harmful?

Going out of your way to not harm anything that could even remotely considered "Living" is excessive by any definition. If someone spends five hours rearranging a bookshelf, that is excessive. It is harmful by limiting their diet, in the physical since. It must be difficult for someone to live their life like a paranoid man, in the other since, it will harm them in that way. Not eating meat is fine, not eating plants that may be classified as alive is excessive. Trying not to kill things is fine, sweeping every step you take is excessive.

 

Posted Aug 27, '12 at 11:09pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Going out of your way to not harm anything that could even remotely considered "Living" is excessive by any definition. If someone spends five hours rearranging a bookshelf, that is excessive. It is harmful by limiting their diet, in the physical since. It must be difficult for someone to live their life like a paranoid man, in the other since, it will harm them in that way. Not eating meat is fine, not eating plants that may be classified as alive is excessive. Trying not to kill things is fine, sweeping every step you take is excessive.

It is certainly excessive by our norms, but not by theirs. Not all Jains do this, most stop at the first few stages of their path; only ascetics go the full way.

 
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