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Posted Aug 29, '12 at 12:33pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

4,943 posts

Knight

Why trying to take over your own country? What democrats, and also republicans for that matter, do, they do it because they deem it best for the country. Which is pretty normal imo.
Besides, I'm sure we could assemble quite a few republican measures that seem equally 'bizarre' if you look at them with the conspiracy goggles.

Concerning cryptids, they cannot be all true as many of them are proven to be hoaxes. Of course there were also a few that turned out to be real animals like the Okapi. But you get the point.

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 12:34pm

majesty2450

majesty2450

9 posts

Since the government would be killing its own people, wrecking its own economy and probably preparing itself to be taken over by some other country... then yes... especially with hundreds of millions of people...

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 12:39pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

Since the government would be killing its own people, wrecking its own economy and probably preparing itself to be taken over by some other country... then yes... especially with hundreds of millions of people...

Even the government isn't as stupid as you assume. This just made me stop giggling; now I'm eye rolling. They wish to kill it's people and wreck the very economy theyre trying to save? A foreign nation even daring to take over the USA?

Most conspiracy theories at least have a tenuous and vaguely valid reason; such as th 9/11 one and oil. Yet this self owning schadenfreude presents no rational or even profiting motive to back it up.

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 12:58pm

majesty2450

majesty2450

9 posts

Well personally I would take up arms against the government right now if there was a strong enough force to go with(like half the pop or so), but I see where you could be coming from. Think though why would the fore founders put it there then?

Anyway this is obviously hogging the thread and I am the only one who supports it so lets just say it is highly unlikely and see what other conspiracy theories there are... I get a bit thick headed when it comes to this conspiracy... Just don't shrug it off as impossible because the army is made of the citizens and would disband and china would think its investments would disappear so they might take us over. They could due to the war that weakens the economy and military substantial.

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 1:08pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

Well personally I would take up arms against the government right now if there was a strong enough force to go with(like half the pop or so), but I see where you could be coming from. Think though why would the fore founders put it there then?

They put it there because they NEEDED a citizen militia. They didn't have a proper army back then, and any man with a gun was valuable.

Why would the army even disband? It's an extremely lucrative and budget heavy system; it's stuffed with billions. America will never in it's right mind let it's main foreign policy and national security instrument be dismantled. China is struggling to even put forth a blue water navy yet the Americans casually patrol ever patch of water on this globe. China is years behind militarily.

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 4:57pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,087 posts

Well personally I would take up arms against the government right now if there was a strong enough force to go with(like half the pop or so)

plz. do so plz. =Drnit will be so much fun to look at. =D

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 9:50pm

Skyla

Skyla

297 posts

Why would the army even disband? It's an extremely lucrative and budget heavy system; it's stuffed with billions. America will never in it's right mind let it's main foreign policy and national security instrument be dismantled. China is struggling to even put forth a blue water navy yet the Americans casually patrol ever patch of water on this globe. China is years behind militarily.

America's main foreign policy might be it's military force, whether that is meritorious or not is another argument. However, China's foreign policy might not revolve around militarism, at least not to the extent of America's. China's policy is one of neutrality, it does not get involved in the affairs of other nations. Take a look at military spending in both countries, up to $1.4 trillion in the US (2012) versus $106 billion in China (2012), it's no surprise that their military is not on par with the US.

This kind of one-dimensional comparison proves little, and can easily be refuted. Take for example China's unemployment rate of 4.1% versus 8.2% in the US. China's long-term economical growth has been consistent over the past 30 years at 10% growth, whereas the US dropped to 2% in the last decade. You get the idea. I'm not trying to put the US down, it's had a rough couple of years. China shouldn't be stigmatized for pretermitting its defense industry in favor of other sectors.

Sources:

US military spending:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionGPO.action?collectionCode=BUDGET

China military spending
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-04/china-says-defense-spending-will-increase-11-2-to-106-4-billion-in-2012.html

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 10:06pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

This kind of one-dimensional comparison proves little, and can easily be refuted. Take for example China's unemployment rate of 4.1% versus 8.2% in the US. China's long-term economical growth has been consistent over the past 30 years at 10% growth, whereas the US dropped to 2% in the last decade. You get the idea. I'm not trying to put the US down, it's had a rough couple of years. China shouldn't be stigmatized for pretermitting its defense industry in favor of other sectors.

That was my point exactly.

I'm Chinese!

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 10:20pm

Skyla

Skyla

297 posts

That was my point exactly.

I'm Chinese!

My apologies, must have overlooked whatever you were replying to.

(:

 

Posted Aug 29, '12 at 10:35pm

ComradeWolf

ComradeWolf

351 posts

As for conspiracy over here, many people believe the CIA meddles with not only our country, but most of Latin America. The sad fact is, any conspiracies generated towards the CIA are based on logical fear and suspicion which are based on previous operations they inducted. A great example of such espionage and sabotage of Latin American nations and CIA involvement is in Guatemala, when Jacabo Arbenz, who was president of Gautemala between 1950 to 1954, was ousted in a bloody coup financed by the CIA. Jacabo, a freely elected president, the second elected in his country, was ousted by the CIA due to socialist land reforms having the government claim the land, paying the owners back, the price being determined by their tax returns. The largest landowner, the United Fruit Company, was assessed at 3$ a acre, and 85% of it's land was idle. The infamous United Fruit Company, having backing by various politicians in America, pressured the CIA to take action. After they financed the coup, about 40 years of rule by various dictatorships took hold and Gautemala had years of strife under their rule. Lots of other examples, and generally if anything goes wrong politically over here, even if it's not the CIA's fault, the Latin American media blames the CIA regardless. I believe personally the CIA still operates in the majority of Latin America and probably operates in my country as well. I don't hate America mind you, but I am no fan of its foriegn policy and I can honestly say I hate it's secret services and white collar moguls and government in general.

 
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