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Are there conspiracies that you deem to be true? I have reason to believe that the government has discovered cures for some diseases but they are withholding their information. Why is that, you may find yourself asking. For a number of reasons, you may find me replying.

They can make a lot of money through medicines, hospitals, fees, etc. They can limit the population of Earth.

What do you think?

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majesty2450
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I don't mean to go off-topic, but how is a gun a persons only defence?

What other defense would we have if they take our right to bear arms away they can take all the others... 'Bring a knife to a gun fight'.
Its not like every person knows how to make a bomb out of grocery store items...
What else would scare the government enough to not try and take all our rights away?...
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Wow fail you posted 2 seconds before me....
If we had RPG's and stuff it might. Give me armor penetrating ammo and a 50 caliber rifle....

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What other defense would we have if they take our right to bear arms away they can take all the others... 'Bring a knife to a gun fight'.
Its not like every person knows how to make a bomb out of grocery store items...
What else would scare the government enough to not try and take all our rights away?...


They have the biggest and meanest military machine in history. And you have a peashooter. No, it's not fear that keeps the government at bay, its the desire to govern this bloody nation and the need to put up with all our crap that keeps them going. Is it easy ruling? No. Is it a good paying job? No. Conspiracy theories can only go so far before they're frankly tiring and insulting to the people, who no matter how screwed in their mental faculties, are doing a hugely undesirable job.
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Wow fail you posted 2 seconds before me....
If we had RPG's and stuff it might. Give me armor penetrating ammo and a 50 caliber rifle....


Not going to demean you, but the US army practically strolled through Iraq twice before the insurgency, sweeping away the regional power of the ME. Will you fare any better?
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Why trying to take over your own country? What democrats, and also republicans for that matter, do, they do it because they deem it best for the country. Which is pretty normal imo.
Besides, I'm sure we could assemble quite a few republican measures that seem equally 'bizarre' if you look at them with the conspiracy goggles.

Concerning cryptids, they cannot be all true as many of them are proven to be hoaxes. Of course there were also a few that turned out to be real animals like the Okapi. But you get the point.

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Since the government would be killing its own people, wrecking its own economy and probably preparing itself to be taken over by some other country... then yes... especially with hundreds of millions of people...

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Since the government would be killing its own people, wrecking its own economy and probably preparing itself to be taken over by some other country... then yes... especially with hundreds of millions of people...


Even the government isn't as stupid as you assume. This just made me stop giggling; now I'm eye rolling. They wish to kill it's people and wreck the very economy theyre trying to save? A foreign nation even daring to take over the USA?

Most conspiracy theories at least have a tenuous and vaguely valid reason; such as th 9/11 one and oil. Yet this self owning schadenfreude presents no rational or even profiting motive to back it up.
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Well personally I would take up arms against the government right now if there was a strong enough force to go with(like half the pop or so), but I see where you could be coming from. Think though why would the fore founders put it there then?

Anyway this is obviously hogging the thread and I am the only one who supports it so lets just say it is highly unlikely and see what other conspiracy theories there are... I get a bit thick headed when it comes to this conspiracy... Just don't shrug it off as impossible because the army is made of the citizens and would disband and china would think its investments would disappear so they might take us over. They could due to the war that weakens the economy and military substantial.

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Well personally I would take up arms against the government right now if there was a strong enough force to go with(like half the pop or so), but I see where you could be coming from. Think though why would the fore founders put it there then?


They put it there because they NEEDED a citizen militia. They didn't have a proper army back then, and any man with a gun was valuable.

Why would the army even disband? It's an extremely lucrative and budget heavy system; it's stuffed with billions. America will never in it's right mind let it's main foreign policy and national security instrument be dismantled. China is struggling to even put forth a blue water navy yet the Americans casually patrol ever patch of water on this globe. China is years behind militarily.
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Well personally I would take up arms against the government right now if there was a strong enough force to go with(like half the pop or so)


plz. do so plz. =D
it will be so much fun to look at. =D
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Why would the army even disband? It's an extremely lucrative and budget heavy system; it's stuffed with billions. America will never in it's right mind let it's main foreign policy and national security instrument be dismantled. China is struggling to even put forth a blue water navy yet the Americans casually patrol ever patch of water on this globe. China is years behind militarily.


America's main foreign policy might be it's military force, whether that is meritorious or not is another argument. However, China's foreign policy might not revolve around militarism, at least not to the extent of America's. China's policy is one of neutrality, it does not get involved in the affairs of other nations. Take a look at military spending in both countries, up to $1.4 trillion in the US (2012) versus $106 billion in China (2012), it's no surprise that their military is not on par with the US.

This kind of one-dimensional comparison proves little, and can easily be refuted. Take for example China's unemployment rate of 4.1% versus 8.2% in the US. China's long-term economical growth has been consistent over the past 30 years at 10% growth, whereas the US dropped to 2% in the last decade. You get the idea. I'm not trying to put the US down, it's had a rough couple of years. China shouldn't be stigmatized for pretermitting its defense industry in favor of other sectors.

Sources:

US military spending:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionGPO.action?collectionCode=BUDGET

China military spending
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-04/china-says-defense-spending-will-increase-11-2-to-106-4-billion-in-2012.html
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This kind of one-dimensional comparison proves little, and can easily be refuted. Take for example China's unemployment rate of 4.1% versus 8.2% in the US. China's long-term economical growth has been consistent over the past 30 years at 10% growth, whereas the US dropped to 2% in the last decade. You get the idea. I'm not trying to put the US down, it's had a rough couple of years. China shouldn't be stigmatized for pretermitting its defense industry in favor of other sectors.


That was my point exactly.

I'm Chinese!
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That was my point exactly.

I'm Chinese!


My apologies, must have overlooked whatever you were replying to.

(:
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As for conspiracy over here, many people believe the CIA meddles with not only our country, but most of Latin America. The sad fact is, any conspiracies generated towards the CIA are based on logical fear and suspicion which are based on previous operations they inducted. A great example of such espionage and sabotage of Latin American nations and CIA involvement is in Guatemala, when Jacabo Arbenz, who was president of Gautemala between 1950 to 1954, was ousted in a bloody coup financed by the CIA. Jacabo, a freely elected president, the second elected in his country, was ousted by the CIA due to socialist land reforms having the government claim the land, paying the owners back, the price being determined by their tax returns. The largest landowner, the United Fruit Company, was assessed at 3$ a acre, and 85% of it's land was idle. The infamous United Fruit Company, having backing by various politicians in America, pressured the CIA to take action. After they financed the coup, about 40 years of rule by various dictatorships took hold and Gautemala had years of strife under their rule. Lots of other examples, and generally if anything goes wrong politically over here, even if it's not the CIA's fault, the Latin American media blames the CIA regardless. I believe personally the CIA still operates in the majority of Latin America and probably operates in my country as well. I don't hate America mind you, but I am no fan of its foriegn policy and I can honestly say I hate it's secret services and white collar moguls and government in general.

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As for conspiracies JFK is true all I need is 1 man to tell me his last words to his wife his name Conrad her's Kay's he was in the CIA at the time it went down he was my great grand father his final words he ever said was "we did it"

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