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Posted Sep 2, '12 at 9:32pm

BaNgUlol

BaNgUlol

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This topic is about the games that killed cod. Meaning the games that where more cooler then Cod like classics. Which games would YOU pick? Mine is the first and second max payne game from 2001-08 and The first HALO. Whats yours?

 

Posted Sep 2, '12 at 10:11pm

GhostOfMatrix

GhostOfMatrix

11,691 posts

Knight

Games that killed CoD? I wouldn't say a franchise that sells millions every year is dead.

 

Posted Sep 2, '12 at 10:34pm

bigjacob

bigjacob

456 posts

I don't understand.

While Call of Duty is in my opinion ( keyword, opinion ) a lousy series, it still has millions of fans.

So you say it's dead? I beg to differ.

 

Posted Sep 2, '12 at 11:24pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,277 posts

While Call of Duty is in my opinion ( keyword, opinion ) a lousy series

No no...it IS a lousy series. Same game each time, and campaign mode is just terrible in each of them (you can literally just hide the entire time and have your team take out the bad guys...all you have to do is make sure to move forward every now and then)

As for it being dead? Sadly...it isn't. Though it seems (keyword: seems) to be dieing (albeit, rather slowly)

 

Posted Sep 3, '12 at 12:37pm

Highfire

Highfire

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No no...it IS a lousy series.

Never try and correct a sentence again. Not only was it explicitly stated as an opinion, but it also stated that it IS a lousy series. Your demeanor suggests the the person is wrong and you're stating the facts -- which on a topic subject to opinions, is impossible. . . then just add that you're repeating the same thing as our buddy bigjacob up there and . . .
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At most, you can berate me for failing to have that Picard Facepalm in. I've never gotten down the Images for Armor Games. :O

As for it being dead? Sadly...it isn't. Though it seems (keyword: seems) to be dieing

Get out if you're going to have that sardonic attitude to someone who didn't do anything (at all) wrong.

This topic is about the games that killed cod.

I'm glad you explained what "Killed" in this sense means.

Meaning the games that where more cooler then Cod like classics.

Cool isn't a term I'd rather use for this. Otherwise most hack 'n' slashes take the cake on this one. . . I don't know, but a lot of games I'd rate over Call of Duty that I don't even consider good, or 'cool' in any way.

Which games would YOU pick?

Whilst I think this pertains to the stickied Call of Duty Thread, I mays well partake as I've typed this much.
Armies of Exigo
Fable 1
Magicka
Amnesia: The Dark Descent (and likely soon to be Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs)
Saints Row: The Third (the fact that it exaggerates most aspects just makes this game brilliant, admittedly)
Tribes: Ascend
League of Legends (Despite terrible balance and other issues involved)

These aren't what I'd consider obvious. I'd bet a lot of you haven't heard of a few of these games, and the other are more miscellaneous except perhaps League of Legends. . . although for any who's known me long enough they'd know that I'm not fond of that game either, so bringing that up may be a surprise.

Those are games I'd definitely say rate higher than Call of Duty after 4, and even CoD4 was pretty poor due to its simplicity.

Mine is the first and second max payne game from 2001-08

Not a fan of the third one? I'll take a shot and say you was influenced either by Sir Totalbiscuit or one of his many followers, at least a little in the case of Max Payne 3. That said, I wouldn't say it's a bad thing (depends which followers you're talking about).

Games that killed CoD? I wouldn't say a franchise that sells millions every year is dead.

There seems to be particular issue with reading what people are actually saying, today.
Whilst semi colons would seriously help BaNgUlol's (mature name, it seems) statements (e.g This topic is about the games that killed cod; meaning the games that where more cooler then Cod like classics.) I would still think that you can interpret it in the same way I did being as it's not really that ambiguous :O

I'll just refer again to the Stickied CoD Thread. This one is redundant as it doesn't instigate much conversation as this is just a "Voice your personal X" thread and no real conflict or discussion can be made unless two people find their significant other because they both enjoyed a really old game when it was first out.
Age of Empires II, anybody?

- H

 

Posted Sep 3, '12 at 5:37pm

Jugg_Commando

Jugg_Commando

98 posts

If Call of Duty were dead, it would have been killed before it started thanks to Goldeneye007.

 

Posted Sep 3, '12 at 6:46pm

Gamer_Cale

Gamer_Cale

1,414 posts

No game has killed CoD it's still one of the biggest gaming franchises and probably will continue to be for a long time.

I think CoD is good I just find it's losing it's feel since I have played CoD since CoD4 it just feels the same old same old but every game has this if you play it enough so I can't really complain.

 

Posted Sep 4, '12 at 7:38am

MaticX

MaticX

41 posts

CoD is a good series, by Halo 3 PAWNS!

 

Posted Sep 4, '12 at 7:56am

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,070 posts

Knight

1. Call of Duty isn't dead. Nothing "killed" the game series.
2. Stop saying "It's the same game every time." Although this is a perfectly logical reason to dislike a game personally, keep in mind that some people PREFER playing a game with few changes, and there is NOTHING wrong with that.

I am a HUGE Assassin's Creed fan. AC2, ACB, and ACR are all VERY similar. It is VERY easy to argue that the games are too similar for them to be considered good (some people do make this argument). However, many people, such as myself, enjoy the gameplay that made AC2 so awesome.

The same goes for CoD. If you're tired of the CoD games because you're tired of playing "the same game", then that's a perfectly acceptable reason. (However, they aren't the same game each time, they just use the same basic game play elements).

Just keep in mind who the game is aimed towards.

Personally, I enjoy the Legend of Zelda games. Oh wait, they're very identical each release as well. Halo! Oh wait, Halo may have introduced a few changes, but it's nothing that' drastically different.

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A lot of people who say they hate CoD are full of crap. I believe they don't really hate the game series as much as they let on, I believe they just hate the fact that it's so much more popular than what they believe it should be. They disliked CoD because it's over rated.

If you think CoD is over rated, great, but keep in mind that over rated does not necisarily mean "crappy". For example, The Beatles are the most over rated band in the world. Yet, they're a great band and remains one of my favorites.

After a certain point, I think it's more wise to allow a thread bashing a game series to live than to have everyone bring CoD fans down in the sticky thread. However, this thread is redicilous, so I'm going to do my best to destroy anyone who posts here in intellectual battle.

Do you know what's more annoying than fanboys? Anti-fanboys. They're like fanboys, except they go around hating on a particular game instead of praising it. Fanboys and anti-fanboys are annoying because they confuse opinion with fact, and their hate has more to do with conformity than actual personal preference.

 

Posted Sep 4, '12 at 9:15am

Highfire

Highfire

2,936 posts

Do you know what's more annoying than fanboys? Anti-fanboys. They're like fanboys, except they go around hating on a particular game instead of praising it. Fanboys and anti-fanboys are annoying because they confuse opinion with fact, and their hate has more to do with conformity than actual personal preference.

Well, I appreciate that I dislike any term with "fan" involved being as it's derived from "Fanatic", it's no surprise that many 'fans' can behave like that. But attempt to destroy me, in an intellectual battle, if you want.

1. Call of Duty isn't dead. Nothing "killed" the game series.

Again, the OP defined what he meant by "killed". Why is everyone sticking to their own definition when one has just been made specific to this thread? I mean sure, just point out that it's not dead but you got the message very clearly enough.

2. Stop saying "It's the same game every time." Although this is a perfectly logical reason to dislike a game personally, keep in mind that some people PREFER playing a game with few changes, and there is NOTHING wrong with that.

Except there is, in terms of CoD. Being overrated and very popular that means that it holds the reins in much of the gaming industry. When people discovered that the formula of the same thing with minor changes worked, because a demographic ate it up, spending £30 on the initial game that was as different as any content patch and then even MORE SO on DLC, it caused quakes throughout the entire industry.

Oh, and it still does. How often now does the Business Model of a game come into your mind now? There's always cosmetic DLC, or subscription based fees for some things that aren't even MMORPGs anymore (however, this model is thankfully being phased out). It's damaged the industry for the consumer to a level that is unacceptable, especially given that prior to this people got on perfectly fine with just purchasing the game and any expansion packs (read: Age of Empires series before the MMORTS). Maybe if the industry started with this, it would be acceptable -- but it's degraded, and the only reason there would be "required" money (which there really isn't) would be for graphical issues. . . gameplay rarely suffers when it comes to people who know efficiency or are really good at making games.

A lot of people who say they hate CoD are full of crap.

I am not one of them. Well, not entirely full of crap, and usually not on this subject.

I believe they don't really hate the game series as much as they let on,

What's your point, here? You're making a statement against people that doesn't really do anything for anyone. I mean, I could see someone trying to reference this in a future conflict in regards to CoD and just say "Haha, you're one of them!" or something . . . in which case, it's just devolved into this pretty generic, illogical and digressed argument that ceases to have any gains.

I believe they just hate the fact that it's so much more popular than what they believe it should be.

For me, it's the result of it being the lead and what it's done as a result. Oh, and because they make a game less effectively than a few Indie Titles I've seen. Then they try practically robbing you by selling Map DLCs that contain maps from previous games -- excluding a modding system (Which was present in CoD4 and as a result its sequels should contain a good feature) to limit your ability to synthesize your own and increase the longevity of a game, and et cetera.
They intentionally harm the game for their own benefits. It should be the definition of what a "Cash Cow" is. There's nothing in it for CoD but just that.

If you think CoD is over rated, great, but keep in mind that over rated does not necisarily mean "crappy".

The issue is CoD still is crappy in either way you put it. The mechanical design isn't nearly as good as it should be -- I've expected better from, I'll say again, Indie Titles. The gameplay is just a facade, baring no depth in gameplay that you can't achieve with any other game, but going no deeper and the graphical effects mays well be non-existant for a more "Professional Gaming" feel.

For anyone who has used Steam a lot, I think you know where I'm coming from when I say you could expect to buy a game with the quality of CoD for around £8-£10. Excluding on sale.

I think it's more wise to allow a thread bashing a game series to live than to have everyone bring CoD fans down in the sticky thread.

Where's the logic in that? The only thing that should be able to bring a CoD-fan down in any CoD controversey should be a valid point that undermines their 'beliefs'. Which has already been done. Aside from that there's just mindless hating that needs to be dealt with -- but that's just the same as mindless praising, it's the same idiocy and just because one is (supposedly) positive doesn't mean it should be left alone.

They're like fanboys, except they go around hating on a particular game instead of praising it.

Except anti-fanboys tend to have a more logical mindset, and that's from both experience and the fact that angry or negative thoughts help provoke said thoughts, as ironic as that is.

Fanboys and anti-fanboys are annoying because they confuse opinion with fact,

Except you're just targetting people here, and not the points provided.

and their hate has more to do with conformity than actual personal preference.

Not the haters. They don't conform, but some of them find the idea of "Not conforming" pretty good, for some reason. The lack of conformity and the defiance to generally accepted things shouldn't just be regarded as someone attempting to be a rebel. Oftentimes, they have good points (even if they can't express them that well).

Ultimately, you've kind of just berated a fairly large portion of the Armor Games VG population with no real gains rather than saying this is a cage for everyone who wants to hate on the game which is just an exceptionally silly idea. People who like CoD will clearly steer away and people who dislike or are more tentative will give this one a shot. It's not a good idea at all and being sensitive to people's "feelings" on an online forum where there is ALWAYS debate (that was once being hammered down upon by myself and ChillzMaster, that was the most brutal time) sounds like an almost puny attempt to just shy away from just having any form of constructive discussion.
Constructive, yes. Because with debates on CoD where the opposition has good points, it spawns ideas about the whole gaming industry, the mindset of gaming and the introduction that "You play it because it's fun" or "You buy it because you liked it" ideologies are wrong. I did not say those ideas are right, although I do stick by them, since there's philosophy involved. But no, that's just overlooked by the vast majority of people and in attempts to bring it up in times before it was shut down by being called a hater or what you'd define as "an anti-fanboy".

Also, for Assassin's Creed. I couldn't play more than what? 5 Missions of it? It was the same formula throughout the game except they'd change the "Pickpocket" segment of one with an "Eavesdrop" segment for the other. Very monotonous, and thus I stopped looking into it in terms of future Assassin's Creed games which I'd imagine follow a pretty similar thing considering the Assassin looks the same, usually baring a familiar arsenal of weapons.

Oh, and philosophies about being cost-efficient with money when it comes to games. Countless times I'm asked "Why don't you get X?" and I wouldn't have any objection directly towards a specific game (Deus Ex: Human Revolution or Minecraft) but I would say that I've already got enough. . . I mean, I really have, and most people do too.
I could get on with just League of Legends and Starcraft II if need be. But even so, I've got Bad Company 2, Battlefield 3, Age of Mythology, Tribes: Ascend, Starcraft 1 (+ Brood War), DOTA 2 (Spectator mode only I'm afraid :O ), Starvoid (Indie Title, not too bad), Lord of the Rings Online, Saint's Row: The Third (one of my latest purchases during a sale, very nice £7.50 spent) and Nexuiz installed on my computer right now, at my disposal, right now.

But I don't need nearly any of them. Granted, a few of them were obtained years ago and my Starcraft 1 Purhcase was more of a "Paying towards the eSport" than trying to get any entertainment, but either way, there's really only a need for a PC gamer to have 2 games if they can get into them and they can take that kind of time (However if you get Skyrim and Deus Ex, don't try and last with just them, ahaha).

Cost efficient with CoD would be having just one, and even then, I question that. You don't necessarily need to buy it to know whether it'd be good or not - it's quite easy to (accurately) judge games based on the gameplay you've seen or heard of, though it's always best done watching it of course. Seeing the blandness of CoD and almost certainly the amount of "Imbalanced" or as some will call "Gay" things on there could be enough to just put you off.

- H

 
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