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Posted Sep 19, '12 at 1:54am

SSTG

SSTG

10,756 posts

Knight

More Tea Partier double faces:
https://howdemocracyworks.wordpress.com … stand-for/

Ok I'm going to bed now.

 

Posted Sep 19, '12 at 2:06am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

Reagan had a small government? Sorry, he outspent many presidents before and after him. Not really small in any sense of the word. Reagan lowering taxes? Sorry, he raised them 11 times during his two terms in office. Reagan accepting free trade? Sorry, he signed the zero-sum game style Omnibus Foreign Trade and Competitiveness Act which forced countries with a large trade surplus vis a vis America to undergo bilateral surplus-reduction requirement of 10%. Reagan outspending the Soviets and therefore forcing them to collapse? Sorry, Reagan was virulently anti-nuclear and actually worked with the Soviets to reduce nuclear arms.

The Tea Party has hijacked what old Republican Presidents stood for, but this article also shows that ''common sense Democrats'' sometimes also don't know their politics very well. We like to claim that Republicans are a bunch of conservative dinosaurs, yet we are blind to the same bigotry we condemn. The GoP does have many wonderful people, just that the evangelical Right is taking over. Olympia Snowe, Steve LaTourette, even Romney back when he was governor. To claim that they are all insipid creatures and to claim only Democrats are mature, correct, reliable is rather astounding. It's people who fight based on such party alignments who make bipartisanship sound like witchcraft.

 

Posted Sep 19, '12 at 4:01am

SSTG

SSTG

10,756 posts

Knight

To claim that they are all insipid creatures and to claim only Democrats are mature, correct, reliable is rather astounding. It's people who fight based on such party alignments who make bipartisanship sound like witchcraft.

That's why it's so hard for Obama to achieve and pass any bipartisan bills. The Republicans (the good ones) needs to dissociate themselves from the rotten apples in their party. Only then will they be able to move forward.

You have to understand that not everybody has the time, skill or knowledge to study and understand politics. Not everybody is rich and has it easy like Romney and other parasites who don't pay their fair share of taxes and have wealthy parents to borrow money from so they could start a business.
What people want is a chance to work but they need jobs in order to do that. How can they afford their overpriced insurance if they can't work? Obama offers way to accomplish this but the rotten apples among the Conservatives are trying everything to stop the progress. There are ways for riches to make money without abusing the middle and lower classes. Why are they so obstinate?

 

Posted Sep 19, '12 at 5:09am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

That's why it's so hard for Obama to achieve and pass any bipartisan bills. The Republicans (the good ones) needs to dissociate themselves from the rotten apples in their party. Only then will they be able to move forward.

Democrats too, have their fair share of non-cooperation. Blaming solely one party doesn't do bipartisanship any favours.

What people want is a chance to work but they need jobs in order to do that. How can they afford their overpriced insurance if they can't work? Obama offers way to accomplish this but the rotten apples among the Conservatives are trying everything to stop the progress. There are ways for riches to make money without abusing the middle and lower classes. Why are they so obstinate?

I think you don't see why Republicans are pushing for such policies. They want to help the poor as much as the Democrats do; they believe tax cuts will stimulate the economy, because it allows the poor to retain their income. They believe that privatisation of medical care will benefit the poor and offer them more choices by streamlining the system. McCain for instance, currently holds the belief that a 5000 dollar tax break for people will be a better choice than Medicare. It might not be the best of ideas, but it shows that they too want to help the poor.

What people want is a chance to work but they need jobs in order to do that. How can they afford their overpriced insurance if they can't work?

They believe that tax cuts will stimulate businesses, who will hire, hence there will be jobs. It's one thing accusing them of going against economic grain, and quite another to just smear them as uncaring parasites who only want to get rich. You don't paint a fair picture, and it does seem a tinge bit hypocritical. Not all Republicans are rich people, and not all Democrats are poor people.

 

Posted Sep 19, '12 at 2:40pm

SSTG

SSTG

10,756 posts

Knight

They believe that tax cuts will stimulate businesses, who will hire, hence there will be jobs. It's one thing accusing them of going against economic grain, and quite another to just smear them as uncaring parasites who only want to get rich. You don't paint a fair picture, and it does seem a tinge bit hypocritical. Not all Republicans are rich people, and not all Democrats are poor people.

First of all I never said that all Democrats are poor and secondly why is it that the Democratic presidents have to fix the mess left by the Republicans? Clinton improved the economy then Bush ruined it again, Obama's trying and slowly succeeding but he needs another mandate. Why is it that Republicans always have great ideas but when they're in power they do nothing but giving tax breaks for riches? Look where it brought the country, on the verge of a economic collapse. What have the riches done with their tax breaks? Did they create new jobs? No, they just got richer and this unpatriotic weasel Romney fired more workers and got richer.
Where do you see that Republicans are trying?
The only one who can convince some of them is Obama so...

 

Posted Sep 19, '12 at 10:25pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

Clinton improved the economy then Bush ruined it again, Obama's trying and slowly succeeding but he needs another mandate. Why is it that Republicans always have great ideas but when they're in power they do nothing but giving tax breaks for riches?

The tax breaks affect everyone, not just the rich. For example, the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and its 2003 version extended tax cuts to all people, not just the rich.

There have been many good Republican Presidents; Reagan, Bush Senior, Eisenhower, Nixon. There have been many occasions where a Republican has to clear the mess of Democratic flops, LBJ and Carter spring to mind instantly. You're generalizing again.

Look where it brought the country, on the verge of a economic collapse. What have the riches done with their tax breaks? Did they create new jobs? No, they just got richer and this unpatriotic weasel Romney fired more workers and got richer.

This is a gross manipulation of economic history; America's decline began since the 70s, when she found it hard to compete with the rest of the world; when her education systems fell into decline, when her businesses became uncompetitive. Nixon by taking the dollar off the gold standard, did America a huge favour. The collapse in 2008 was not the government's fault, it does have a burden of not regulating properly, but it didn't cause the collapse.

No, they just got richer and this unpatriotic weasel Romney fired more workers and got richer.

The Wall Street Journal, aiming for a comprehensive assessment, examined 77 businesses Bain invested in while Mr. Romney led the firm from its 1984 start until early 1999, to see how they fared during Bain’s involvement and shortly afterward.

Among the findings: 22% either filed for bankruptcy reorganization or closed their doors by the end of the eighth year after Bain first invested, sometimes with substantial job losses. An additional 8% ran into so much trouble that all of the money Bain invested was lost.

Whilst it is true that Romney did a shoddy job at Bain, that is all it proved. It doesn't prove he has the lack of heart, anyone who attempts to be elected does have heart. It doesn't prove one bit that Republicans are all a selfish cheating bunch led by the worst of the lot Romney. It proves his economics are crap, but it doesn't prove that he is ''unpatriotic''. Honestly, people who bandy the word around to anything they detest are missing the point of its meaning.

Where do you see that Republicans are trying?

The only one who can convince some of them is Obama so...

Some have tried to toe the budget line and moderate their views during the previous debt ceiling crisis. You're putting it up as though Democrats and Obama are saintlike, whilst the Republicans are all rubbish. Yet isn't this the sort of attitude you condemn when coming from conservatives?

 

Posted Sep 19, '12 at 11:02pm

SSTG

SSTG

10,756 posts

Knight

Yet isn't this the sort of attitude you condemn when coming from conservatives?

Yes I get angry and start acting like people from Fox News, shame on me.

 

Posted Sep 20, '12 at 12:18am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,842 posts

Knight

As a matter of fact yes. We condemn the Republican who clouded the facts and was heavily biased in this ''documentary'', yet if we perpetuate the same behaviour, we are no better.

 

Posted Sep 27, '12 at 4:46pm

joeyman2

joeyman2

56 posts

everyone dont forget this is about the MOVIE

 

Posted Oct 26, '12 at 1:06pm

christopher122

christopher122

19 posts

You people should be grateful for th great president you have! Here in Europe we would kill to have someone like him as president!

 
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