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joeyman2
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has anyone seen the movie (i know this could be in the movies section but its also very political) i had heard about it and i was wondering if anyone knew if it was good and whats in it.

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toemas
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its great! dont be fooled by people saying its just right wing propaganda its really good

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oh, sorry i didint read your whole post lol. 2016 is about why obama did/is doing certain thing in the white house, and the history of his dad and him.

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I didn't see it... but here's a little bit on how some persons see the movie:
2016: Obama's America: Reception

Some quotes (subjectively) taken from it:

"The film has received mixed to negative reviews from critics. "

"Beth Fouhy of the Associated Press questioned some of the film's points and said its central thesis that Obama's presidency is an expression of his father's political beliefs, "is almost entirely subjective and a logical stretch at best"."

"Bill Goodykoontz of The Arizona Republic said it was &quotreaching to the choir" in a style similar to Michael Moore's films, but without the humor, without the straw-man arguments and without presenting views from the other side, and is unlikely to change anyone's mind."

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"The film has received mixed to negative reviews from critics.


thats because the media is all left wing!

tell ya what you could just go see it and you could 1# believe it or 2# say aw well just what i thought it was and move on
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thats because the media is all left wing!

ENEMIES
ENEMIES EVERYWHERE
lawl...

Even if so, does that also count for the independent movie critics? Do you even have such a thing?

No, I won't watch a movie made by and based on the opinion of a republican about a democrat candidate that came out in the midst of the presidential campaign. I'm not saying it's all lies, really not, but it's certainly not "the truth, all the truth and only the truth", I bet.
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thats because the media is all left wing!
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lawl...


hahahahahahahaha that made lolz so hard
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I've heard that it wasn't that good, only the last 20 minutes or so were actually relevant. I think we just need to raise some money and send a few trusted AGer's to the movies, and we can get some reviews from them.

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First time I saw an add, I laughed.
I dont wana go see it. Im still not sure if its supposed to help or hinder Obama based on the reviews I got from family/friends.

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The Republiscums will try everything they can to stop Obama from being reelected because most of them are rich unpatriotic parasites who refuses to pay their fair share of taxes (insert Romney here) and don't like to be told not to rob or deceive the American people with their crooked insurance, drug and oil companies. They also want to continue their useless war against Arab countries so they can steal their oil. And finally want to take back what the women fought so hard to get, control what they can do with their body and forces them to shove probes into their vagina which of course one of the scumservatives will profit from since they will charge them money for the degrading procedures. All this to please the weasels who can't mind their own danm business (religious zealots and AKA American Taliban).

And no, I won't waste my money to see some right wing terrorist propaganda.

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I almost copied what you said, SSTG, and changed anything involving Republican and Conservative to Democrat and Liberal, and you know what? It pretty much works the other way around.

Funny thing is, there's no proof that Romney didn't pay his taxes. You say that republicans want to stay in war with the Arab countries so that we can steal their oil, but republicans are the ones urging for more oil production within the states as well as offshore than relying on foreign countries for their oil. Nobody wanted birth control anyways - that is, unless you want to protect yourself from having a baby - oh wait, I forgot, you can just get an abortion. Lolme, I'm so stupid sometimes.

As much as I hate politics, more often than not it comes down to opinion, and shooting people because they think that something else will work is honestly against the country's foundations. The country was built as a democracy, that the general consensus of the public is the outcome of the country. In this society, I would only dream that politicians see this from society's point of view - if that's what the general consensus is, that's what the public gets. Obviously, they didn't want to elect me and apply my ideas, and I believe as a democracy that as a whole that is what happened, and that's that. We are a respectable society, and honor each others' opinions.

OR, we could just insult each other and blame each other in hopes that the public will frantically decide that I MUST be the best candidate, and if they didn't vote for me, I'll be sure to let them know that they were WRONG. My opinion is always better than your opinion, because obviously enough I have come to this conclusion and you must not have thought it through enough.

Gawd, I love politics.

Anyways, I've not seen the movie myself, but considering I live in a rather conservative environment, I hear a lot of raves about it. I'm a little meh; I dislike propaganda and anything involving shooting down the other side.

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OR, we could just insult each other and blame each other in hopes that the public will frantically decide that I MUST be the best candidate, and if they didn't vote for me, I'll be sure to let them know that they were WRONG. My opinion is always better than your opinion, because obviously enough I have come to this conclusion and you must not have thought it through enough.


Anyone who thinks politics is just an opinion is daft. Politicians can't work together also because they have fundamentally different views. An easy example would be basic economic policy. Republicans advocate tax cuts and generally support Milton's school of thought. Democrats do not push for overall or drastic tax cuts as they believe an because it does reduce government revenue, leading to a government that can do little to fund it's policies.
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It's a good movie, I havent seen it but everyone I know that has seen it said it was really good, one of my friends said that before he didn't want Obama as president, now he's afraid of him getting re-elected.

Nichodemus, you're being fed lies about the taxes, I heard most of a video about how much it would talks to run America for a year with all it's policies like welfare and all that, taxes helped surprisingly little, the way he did it was by how long something could run America for, as I recall you would have to take every penny that anyone poor or rich made in a year and give it to the government to run it the way it is under obowma for one year

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Nichodemus, you're being fed lies about the taxes, I heard most of a video about how much it would talks to run America for a year with all it's policies like welfare and all that, taxes helped surprisingly little, the way he did it was by how long something could run America for, as I recall you would have to take every penny that anyone poor or rich made in a year and give it to the government to run it the way it is under obowma for one year


And what justifies the video you watched from what I have gleaned from sources? Let's run a simple argument. Where does the funds from repairing the roads and highways come from? Where does the salary of the military and judiciary come from? The military alone already consumes 1.035 trillion and that is the lower estimate. If America has 100 trillion people then yes, a Lenny a person can run the system.

Nothing is free in life. People who claim a decrease in revenue is somehow a panacea to the huge budget deficit clearly need to rethink arithmetic.
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Alright my bad. I was thInking about the bigger picture as far as the 16 trillion dollar debt

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Anyone who thinks politics is just an opinion is daft. Politicians can't work together also because they have fundamentally different views. An easy example would be basic economic policy. Republicans advocate tax cuts and generally support Milton's school of thought. Democrats do not push for overall or drastic tax cuts as they believe an because it does reduce government revenue, leading to a government that can do little to fund it's policies.

Well, yes, that's the idea. Considering, though, people have all different opinions on what may or may not work. There is no solid proof that socialism works better than capitalism, or vice versa. Consider it this way: if a country proclaims freedom of religion, but the people are constantly abused for being wrong because 'there is no God' or 'my God is better than your God', what's the point of the freedom? This works hand in hand with democracy - it allows for choice, and doesn't apply any specific margins for your beliefs, unlike monarchies might apply. The only difference is that if your ideas are truly radical from the public opinion, your ideas will probably not be showcased and there will not be a candidate that matches a majority of your beliefs, unless it pushes a revolution that people urge for *cough*Enlightenment*cough*. My point is, people shouldn't be so in-your-face about something that us mere difference in beliefs and actually RESPECT what people differ upon.

That's not to say that I don't believe Obama is 'weak', as some right-wing radio show hosts might have said. You know the US Embassy attacks? Obama APOLOGIZED for it. To the radical Islamists who were the exact same people who caused 9/11, he APOLOGIZED. To the creators of a nation-wide panic that killed thousands of American lives, he APOLOGIZED. To the people who are angry that we killed Osama Bin Laden, which was Obama's most agreeable 'accomplishment', he APOLOGIZED.

That's not to say how he's raising taxes on the rich by raising taxes on small businesses (because, shocker, people can get rich from investing in small businesses! :O), which means higher cost of hiring, and he probably raised minimum wage, which is destroying small business and obliterating the chance of the creation of hundreds of thousands of jobs... But that's just small business, right? Small business doesn't have THAT big of an effect on the economy, and nor does creating more money to make the economy look good so that he might get re-elected and then he'll be happy again for another four years... Nah, that's not that big of a deal, is it? Nah, it will probably only cause the economy to crash. Nbd.

Of course, that's all beside my point that propaganda is stupid and people should be able to form their own opinions rather than leaning on the media and press to give and censor information that might push the general public into leaning toward a certain candidate.
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