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What will happen when the world's armies run out of oil?

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 3:04pm

kirbydgthemaster

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I would think you'd be more concerned about the people with out oil... if armies can't bomb each other any more, I don't think that's so bad.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 3:35pm

HahiHa

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Corn is definitely not a viable option on long terms, for obvious reasons. There are however more and more experiences with algae produced fuel, that might replace fossil fuel.

I don't really see 'the end of oil' as a bad thing. Because it really opens up the door for a whole new realm of scientific advancement. Necessity, after all, is the mother of invention.

Especially when the military is involved. If the military needs fuel, it will get fuel.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 4:05pm

314d1

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Well, to keep huge militaries, like the U.S', going on biofuel, you would have to reap many countries' harvests, or turn nearly all land into farmland, if you want your armies to work and have your people fed.
Or choose between;
Give crops to the citizens and revert many aspects to the Age of Sail
OR
Take crops from citizens, feed engines, and keep your massive army going, albeit with mutinous citizens.

If ALL of the oil in the world magically dissipated, and bio fuel was the option for both the military and civilian populations, then it would make since that America would turn most of it's farms into corn farms. After all, corn would be worth it's wait in gold, farming mostly corn would allow for both food to be feed and some extra for necessary transits. Why wouldn't that happen?

Besides, civilians can use anything from coal to electricity, from trains to cars, in an emergency it could easily change. The military is a bit more limited in what it can use efficiently, bio fuel would be one of the best options in this scenario, especially considering that the US military has almost limitless funds and money makes people grow corn.

As Hiahaia said, if the military wants fuel, it will get fuel.

Corn is definitely not a viable option on long terms, for obvious reasons. There are however more and more experiences with algae produced fuel, that might replace fossil fuel.

I didn't say "Then they live off corn the rest of their days" I said "If they immediately go to corn, then they have a great advantage over nations that can not immediately replace their war vehicles.". Small nations like Iraq and Iran are not going to be able to run any vehicles, really, so if we could just go to our enemies areas in small vehicles, we would easily defeat them. Regardless of sustainability, it would be simple to take advantage of your enemies weakness.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 5:02pm

EmperorPalpatine

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The Navy is already trying to switch all their ships to [url=http://articles.cnn.com/2000-07-25/nature/electric.ships.enn_1_electric-drive-fuel-cells-advanced-power-systems?_s=PM:NATURE]electric and mechanical[url] energy instead of diesel. It won't change much for the military if oil runs out. By then, all vehicles will have changed to more efficient power sources.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 5:04pm

EmperorPalpatine

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Electric and mechanical. Forgot the slash.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 5:42pm

thepunisher93

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Look in the mirror my friend.

Assuming the OP's idea of oil encompasses all fossil fuels, then most immediately nations like Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Russia would take a significant economic hit seeing as they all export oil and natural gas in significant amounts. China could go either way, as many of its foreign investments in energy are matched with precious metals, etc.

Lithium, or some other metal, would become the next oil I believe. It doesnt matter how much energy you can generate if you dont have an effective means of storing it. So an technological advance in batteries, and thus the materials needed to produce them, would be needed if any electricity-based alternative is to be a viable alternative.

I don't really see 'the end of oil' as a bad thing. Because it really opens up the door for a whole new realm of scientific advancement. Necessity, after all, is the mother of invention.

I was referring to party devil and master forger.
An advice, don't take every thing as addressed to you you'll live longer.
Using corn for fuel sounds weird although applicable.
but american military power will be effected as they will not be able to rely on their air force.
So, may be they will have tanks, but others will have anti tank weapons.
In short American military will become equal to anyother military.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 6:34pm

EmperorPalpatine

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but american military power will be effected as they will not be able to rely on their air force.

Except the USAF and its allies will likely have some alternative fuel methods, such as effective solar cells, well before any opponents.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 7:11pm

EnigmaX

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I was referring to party devil and master forger.
An advice, don't take every thing as addressed to you you'll live longer.

I dont care who you were addressing, calling someone stupid is rately ever called for. If your idea of debating is slinging mud and ad hominems as opposed to addressing their points, then kindly go somewhere else.

but american military power will be effected as they will not be able to rely on their air force.

Why not? If ethanol, or some other alternative, can be used to power trucks and tanks and ships, then why wouldn't it be able to power an aircraft? Is it really that much of a stretch?

So, may be they will have tanks, but others will have anti tank weapons.

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Ultimate Weapons: M1 Abrahms

I'd bet on the Abrams winning out over any anti-armor devices any day, short of a missile. But no worries, because apparently no one will have any flying objects in the future.

In short American military will become equal to anyother military.

Yes, soon the day will come when Iceland is on the same military level as the US. The fact that Iceland has no militaristic expenditures doesnt matter, one day, Iceland will conquer.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 8:46pm

314d1

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Using corn for fuel sounds weird although applicable.
but american military power will be effected as they will not be able to rely on their air force.
So, may be they will have tanks, but others will have anti tank weapons.
In short American military will be

come equal to anyother military.

While America's air force is stunning and amazing, its military is still formidable. Where are the enemies getting a hold of modern generation anti tank weapons, anyway? Modern armor just laughs at anything under it, the famous RPG-7 is all but useless.

And even if they do have modern weaponry, there is still the fact that US has numbers over most other nations that we might get into war with, so we would still have the advantage.

I dont care who you were addressing, calling someone stupid is rately ever called for. If your idea of debating is slinging mud and ad hominems as opposed to addressing their points, then kindly go somewhere else.

You where talking to him, right?

Why not? If ethanol, or some other alternative, can be used to power trucks and tanks and ships, then why wouldn't it be able to power an aircraft? Is it really that much of a stretch?

Yes, it is actually a huge stretch. Ethanol isn't powerful enough, not with our current technology level. You must remember that airplane fuel is of a much higher quality then car fuel, and ethanol doesn't even work that good as a vehicle fuel.

For ships, we would probably go to nuclear power (Like the subs), but I don't know much about ships, so I can't say much there.

I'd bet on the Abrams winning out over any anti-armor devices any day, short of a missile. But no worries, because apparently no one will have any flying objects in the future.

Missiles require fuel, so in this situation missiles would not apply.

 

Posted Sep 9, '12 at 10:46pm

EnigmaX

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Yes, it is actually a huge stretch. Ethanol isn't powerful enough, not with our current technology level. You must remember that airplane fuel is of a much higher quality then car fuel, and ethanol doesn't even work that good as a vehicle fuel.

Ethanol powered aircraft. It's feasible.

 
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