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Posted Sep 23, '12 at 8:01pm

toemas

toemas

347 posts

Where do we draw the line between freedom of speech, and hating against one's beliefs.


The extremist Muslims openly say they want to kill Christians the west and other infidels, do they usually get nailed for it? No they donĂ¢t if you go on YouTube or FB you can find plenty of vids. And comments about destroying Christians and America and Israel. and America and Israel does not riot and kill because of it!
ps i think Egypt filed criminal charges against the makers of innocent of Islam film
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 8:17pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

The extremist Muslims openly say they want to kill Christians the west and other infidels, do they usually get nailed for it? No they donĂ¢t if you go on YouTube or FB you can find plenty of vids. And comments about destroying Christians and America and Israel. and America and Israel does not riot and kill because of it!

Have you ever heard those extremist muslims cussing jesus or moses?
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 8:41pm

rafterman

rafterman

624 posts

Have you ever heard those extremist muslims cussing jesus or moses?

They could if they wanted to because we don't murder people over things such as that.
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 8:41pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,296 posts

Knight

Read all of your posts
Just wanna say
If you hold your right to free speech so dear, we hold our prophet to be dearer and we will do what ever it takes to shut those Idiots up.


If "my god wanted me to X" was a valid excuse, you can literally justify ANY crime.

Claiming the Prophet is gay, violent and a warmonger isn't debate clearly.


George W. Bush is a walking, talking, turd who stinks up everything he touches. Obama is a walking, talking, turd who stinks up everything he touches. They should both just hijack it out of the nation and live on an island together so they don't give the rest of us their AIDs.

The above - I should be allowed to say it in public. I should be allowed to say it over facebook. I should be allowed to say it in front of the white house.

He didn't, but it doesn't change the fact that it was the one who made that video who is in fault, in the poor peoples death.


No
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NO IT WASN'T.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ajonec.jpg

Muslims trying to stop these demonstrations, but yet the USA doesn't do anything to stop meaningless insults/hate speech.


**** the incompetent government. They're nothing but a bunch of ignorant vultures who wish nothing more than to self profit off of their tyrannical rule. The government is filled with disgusting, immoral, know-it-all, people who think they're better than everyone else. They should all jump off the top flood of a skyscraper.

The above paragraph is a hate speech against the government.

If someone wants to say "**** Muslims up the ***", they should have every right. If someone wants to say "All blacks should be made into slaves again", they should have that right. I will disagree with their statements and oppose such fullish opinions, but I will literally fight to protect their right to say such things.

If you can blame people expressing their freedom of speech for the death of the ambassador, then you better not ***** when America drops bombs on them flag burning, American hating, son's of *****es. (For the record, I am anti-war, but I'm making a point).

You people say some wise words to Muslims and tell them to correct themselves, yet you dont correct yourselves and wont listen when other gives you something to think about.


We tell Muslims that they should stop ****ing killing people. Atheists tell everyone that their religion is bull****.

(((())))

Now, we're talking about hate speech. Apparently hate speech should be banned because it's insulting and drives criminally insane people too kill. NEWSFLASH - THESE EXTREMISTS THREATEN TO KILL EVERYONE WHO QUESTIONS THEIR GOD. It has NOTHING to do with hate speech AT ALL, it has to do with elitist extremists who would gladly kill people for being Christian.

In this world no one gives you something, you have to take it by force.


Can one of you please leave a comment on my profile?

I will have gained a comment WITHOUT USING FORCE. The computer you're on, did you have to slit someone's throat or did you trade money for it in a non-coercive manner?

I'm going to be honest with you, you're not going to be able to shut everyone who speaks ill of your god up. That's just not going to happen. That's along the same lines of "not everyone is going to like you." You can't make such a demand in the same way those people speaking out can't force you not to worship your god.

If you believe it's okay to use force against others to get what you want, then you must believe it's okay for them to slit your throat to shut you up. That being the case, there is literally no reason to be mad when someone uses coercion. Again, your logic is deeply flawed.

They don't want you westreners dead,
They want you to make anti _blasphemy laws


You literally can't commit blasphemy for a religion you don't believe in. It's blasphemy not to worship Jesus Christ if you're a Christian, the fact you don't have laws forcing you to worship Jesus is beyond me *sarcasm*.
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 8:56pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

You don't get it.
We don't love our prophet as you love you politicians, parents, spouse, children, your own life, freedom.
We love and respect him more then that and just as you westerners take you freedom of speech seriously, we take our profit more seriously.
You don't stop the cause yet you try to stop the effect.
GENIUS!

 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 9:04pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,296 posts

Knight

You don't get it.
We don't love our prophet as you love you politicians, parents, spouse, children, your own life, freedom.
We love and respect him more then that and just as you westerners take you freedom of speech seriously, we take our profit more seriously.
You don't stop the cause yet you try to stop the effect.
GENIUS!


The cause can be literally anything. If someone questioned your prophet using actual evidence, should they be punished?

If you love your prophet so much that you believe he wants you to kill everyone who has premarital sex, I can't touch you. Your argument is solid. When a murderer says, "God told me to kill that Jewish family", should we exile all Jews to respect that murderer's views? You're sitting in that exact same chair. You're saying we should pardon murders against those who spoke out against your prophet because "Your prophet is too holy to be insulted."
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 9:11pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

The cause can be literally anything. If someone questioned your prophet using actual evidence, should they be punished?

If you love your prophet so much that you believe he wants you to kill everyone who has premarital sex, I can't touch you. Your argument is solid. When a murderer says, "God told me to kill that Jewish family", should we exile all Jews to respect that murderer's views? You're sitting in that exact same chair. You're saying we should pardon murders against those who spoke out against your prophet because "Your prophet is too holy to be insulted."

There is a difference between criticizing/ debating with an evidence and outright insults.
and no I am not sitting that murderer's chair.
My god has been done saying 1400 years ago.
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 9:51pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,296 posts

Knight

There is a difference between criticizing/ debating with an evidence and outright insults.
and no I am not sitting that murderer's chair.
My god has been done saying 1400 years ago.


Someone insulting you or someone you love doesn't give you the right to censor them or to murder. You can demand that these people be censored (freedom of speech), but for such a law to exist would be wrong.

You want to make sure nobody insults your god, but you have to understand that you and everyone who worships your god are the only ones who see him as someone who should be respected. Why should others be forced to follow your religion's rules? Why shouldn't we be allowed to insult your religion? Insult other religions, insult atheism, whatever, freedom of speech.

As an atheist, it's offensive when people say I'm going to burn in hell or that I'm a bad person for not believing in their god. Should everyone who says such things be censored? No.

You need to learn that the importance of you god, to nonbelievers, is that of a pebble sitting in one's driveway. You CAN'T force these people to respect something they don't believe in. If you're insulted, then express you anger through speech or non-coercive actions (refusing to make deals with such people).

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France banned the burka. People in France are genuinely offended when they see another person wearing a burka, but that doesn't justify the ban. If I want to wear a shirt saying "**** God", I should be allowed to. God is not important to me, because he does not exist. I should not follow laws in which I have to respect a non-existent being.
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 10:04pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

Someone insulting you or someone you love doesn't give you the right to censor them or to murder. You can demand that these people be censored (freedom of speech), but for such a law to exist would be wrong.

You want to make sure nobody insults your god, but you have to understand that you and everyone who worships your god are the only ones who see him as someone who should be respected. Why should others be forced to follow your religion's rules? Why shouldn't we be allowed to insult your religion? Insult other religions, insult atheism, whatever, freedom of speech.

As an atheist, it's offensive when people say I'm going to burn in hell or that I'm a bad person for not believing in their god. Should everyone who says such things be censored? No.

You need to learn that the importance of you god, to nonbelievers, is that of a pebble sitting in one's driveway. You CAN'T force these people to respect something they don't believe in. If you're insulted, then express you anger through speech or non-coercive actions (refusing to make deals with such people).

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France banned the burka. People in France are genuinely offended when they see another person wearing a burka, but that doesn't justify the ban. If I want to wear a shirt saying "**** God", I should be allowed to. God is not important to me, because he does not exist. I should not follow laws in which I have to respect a non-existent being.

Freedom speech can go to hell
such attacks on prophet willbe met with protests and violence the day no one proresrs over this will be the day islam ceased to exist
 

Posted Sep 23, '12 at 10:18pm

Santi_

Santi_

2,420 posts

Freedom speech can go to hell
such attacks on prophet willbe met with protests and violence the day no one proresrs over this will be the day islam ceased to exist


Hey now. Play nice.

NoName is a random person on the internet, filled with billions of people, expressing his opinion.

It was insulting to have put up the video, it was "insulting" to have killed 3 people.
Fil betor?
 
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