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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 3:37pm
_Spaz_
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I really do not think people understand what Anarchism is. I am an Anarchist myself and it is saddening to hear that people think that Anarchy is "Chaos" and "Disorder" when in reality it is the opposite. I think people have grown so attached to their governments that they depend on them to run their lives and without it there will be chaos. That's just chaos, not Anarchy. Anarchy is peace and order. Government is violence. Anyone care to add to this?
*If you are going to argue this please do not state the fact that it can not work. That is a lame argument and needs to be backed up with evidence and proof.
Thanks
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 3:46pm
HahiHa
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Well then, what is anarchism in detail, for you? How do you imagine it to work and result in peace and order?
Here's what wiki has to offer:
"Anarchism is generally defined as the political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful, or, alternatively, as opposing authority or hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations. Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical voluntary associations."
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 4:17pm
_Spaz_
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Yes, that is correct. I wouldn't consider it a "political" philosophy but more of a lifestyle. To me? To start, I believe in the school of thought of Anarchism called "Anarcho-Communism" If you would like to know what it is in further detail here is a link.
http://libcom.org/thought/anarchist-communism-an-introduction
Sadly, Anarchy will not happen over night. It will not be voted in or anything like that. I believe that the people will start to be fed up with their governments and eventually turn to Anarchism, maybe without even knowing it! Violence will happen in this process, because the government will obviously try and stop a "revolution" from happening. Those months or years will be violent. Like I said, this will gradually happen over time.
To me this is main points that should happen if Anarchism (communism) should happen:
-No wage labor: You work according to your needs
-No currency ^
-No power, no class, everyone is equal
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 4:23pm
_Spaz_
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If I missed something or didn't explain something right. That link will clear everything up for it explains it better than me :P If you are not interested in reading about it, it is still cool to know what it is. Worth the read.
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 7:41pm
Alpha791
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-No wage labor: You work according to your needs
-No currency ^
-No power, no class, everyone is equal
Um... Civilization runs on these three principals. Otherwise we're just like a pack of feral dogs.
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 8:03pm
pangtongshu
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-No wage labor: You work according to your needs
-No currency ^
-No power, no class, everyone is equal
So...communism, but without money..
As for Anarchy happening...it most likely will not. It is human nature to create structure and order. Take away class and you take away that structure
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 8:13pm
Salvidian
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So...communism, but without money..
Communism has a government that regulates its people. Anarchist societies don't have a government.
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 9:03pm
_Spaz_
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Ok, first:
Alpha: No, Society does not need currency, Have you thought other alternatives before you posted your first principle? No People create class. If you can create something you can take away. If you take away something that divides people then there is no class. If you say wage labor is OK then you support slavery because that is what Capitalism is. It exploits the human being.
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 9:05pm
_Spaz_
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Second,
Pangton: Government creates class and structure which is ran by people who want power. If you live in a society where majority people love their freedom how will government take place? (My thought).
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 9:09pm
_Spaz_
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Lastly,
Salvidian: I hope you are not referring to today's "Communist's" which in no is marxist communism. True communism is government, correct, but is ran by the people. There are no higher ups. Everyone is equal. That is where Anarcho-communism gets its roots from. Its not saying there will be governemnt, its saying that there are no presidents or congress etc. And I have to add, Anarcho-communism deals with the work place and economy more than anything.
*From my assumption, none of you read the article in the link, because they answer all these questions :)
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Posted Sep 22, '12 at 9:22pm
NoNameC68
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To me this is main points that should happen if Anarchism (communism) should happen:
-No wage labor: You work according to your needs
-No currency ^
-No power, no class, everyone is equal
What if you want to work for someone else because you find both you and your employer profit more? Would you be allowed to do so in an anarchist community?
As for currency, you NEED currency. You can NOT depend on trade alone.
I believe anarcho-capitalism is more realistic than anarcho-communism. Without government, people will resort to whatever means is most beneficial to themselves. This means people will resort to using a currency because currency is a medium of exchange. People will also work for one another because it's more beneficial.
You can work for yourself, alone, which will result in only the most basic of necessities. If you want more, you have to work with other people. You will have to negotiate. People who have the means of production will let you use their machines for a price, they won't allow you to use them for free. This is how you end up with people working for others. That's not a bad thing, people have to work one way or another, and by working for others, everyone is the richer.
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