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Posted Oct 5, '12 at 7:18pm

_Spaz_

_Spaz_

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Spaz, When a couple want to build a house, they dont build and then look how it look. its not a game you know, its not like "we will give you 25 years of anarchy. if it will work out, keep going. if people will starve to death or thing will jsut fall apart, well, game over. lets restart socity".

I don't think people will suffer as much as they are today. And there is no set time, stuff happens and if it does it does. Found a picture today that said "Capitalism has failed, state socialism has failed...let's try the third." (Anarchy)

Isn't it incredulous that people can somehow "overthink" on an issue of such magnitude?

Ya, I do. Please go write the rule book for Anarchism and then call it Anarchy...good luck charlie...in my head when things are over thought and analyzed too much down to the detail things tend to not work. Anarchy is...ANARCHY! LET IT HAPPEN. Its nature! There is no rule book or guide to it!

And yes, My ego talks a lot...I wish for it to succeed but I know it will fail one day. Thank you for catching my mistake :P

All societies to date have failed? What about the current democratic one we have been waltzing through?

Ya...ya it has. This isn't very democratic. In one way or another. The constitution is violated all the time. This system has failed. Wouldn't really call it waltzing unless you have a bandana wrapped around your eyes...

 

Posted Oct 5, '12 at 7:22pm

_Spaz_

_Spaz_

126 posts

Isn't having Jesus /God setting rules counter to the concept of anarchy?

Yes and no, anarchism isn't against all forms of authority...I know that sounds funny but people get Anarchy mixed up A LOT! And they claim that Jesus spoke of Anarchism in his days...I can't remember the verse but they don't make much sense to me...I guess it's for you to decide...then again, the Bible says to follow government and obey it...so I guess it's weird in a way.

 

Posted Oct 5, '12 at 8:14pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,094 posts

the 4 examples i found about anarchy "ruled" territories. shows a lifespan of about 2 year.

nothing compared to democracy if you ask me.

i'm not sure atm if we can call somalia a anarchy state.
the north part (somaliland) we can't, that part has a government and is doing fairly well for itself. the rest on the other hand has no government for the last 15 year. and is ruled by pirates now.
and i think that is exactly what will happen in a anarchy society. the criminals will rule. and that sure wont make it a better place to live.

 

Posted Oct 5, '12 at 9:48pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,871 posts

Knight

Ya, I do. Please go write the rule book for Anarchism and then call it Anarchy...good luck charlie...in my head when things are over thought and analyzed too much down to the detail things tend to not work. Anarchy is...ANARCHY! LET IT HAPPEN. Its nature! There is no rule book or guide to it!

I don't need to write a book. All i need to do is read books on anarchism to properly discuss it. Which I have. Dissuasions are discussions. LET THEM HAPPEN. Willful ignorance at it's best.

Ya...ya it has. This isn't very democratic. In one way or another. The constitution is violated all the time. This system has failed. Wouldn't really call it waltzing unless you have a bandana wrapped around your eyes...

If we have to adhere to suh a strict yardstick then most of the history of modern democracy will be a failure. If we look at the general picture, Thr democratic system and foundation has been strong and thorough. It has been drilled into people, just look at the rabid responses to the campaigns, voter turnout and the lot.

Also, the democratic system isn't wholly comprised of America and it's beloved constitution. Has it been an abject failure then? No.

 

Posted Oct 5, '12 at 10:35pm

_Spaz_

_Spaz_

126 posts

Willful ignorance at it's best

Willfully reject the state? You bet. Ignorant? Yes, aren't we all? Plus, I did not wake up one day and decide to be an Anarchist...this happened over years of disappointment.

I don't need to write a book. All i need to do is read books on anarchism to properly discuss it. Which I have. Dissuasions are discussions.

That is fine, that's what this topic was created for. What I was getting at is, people will start to look at anarchism and start fixing it's flaws and leaks and start creating rules and guidelines to fix those cracks. So when it happens it will no longer be anarchism and just turn into a government...that's my thought on it. Which by the way, I appreciate the activity in this forum Mr.

 

Posted Oct 5, '12 at 10:53pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,673 posts

Knight

That is fine, that's what this topic was created for. What I was getting at is, people will start to look at anarchism and start fixing it's flaws and leaks and start creating rules and guidelines to fix those cracks. So when it happens it will no longer be anarchism and just turn into a government...that's my thought on it. Which by the way, I appreciate the activity in this forum Mr.

So you're saying we should just ignore the problems with such a system?

It would seem to me that if the system is so flawed that it has to no longer exist to be fixed than doesn't that suggest a system that is not of true use?

 

Posted Oct 5, '12 at 11:59pm

_Spaz_

_Spaz_

126 posts

So you're saying we should just ignore the problems with such a system?

It would seem to me that if the system is so flawed that it has to no longer exist to be fixed than doesn't that suggest a system that is not of true use?

No, first, you can't fix the flaws. It will never happen, and that is with any system. To me, Anarchy is a natural thing. It should happen and not have man made law effecting it's way.

 

Posted Oct 6, '12 at 2:39am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,871 posts

Knight

Willfully reject the state? You bet. Ignorant? Yes, aren't we all? Plus, I did not wake up one day and decide to be an Anarchist...this happened over years of disappointment.

Yet you still cannot promote your case effectively and rebutt most of our arguments, instead dismissing them with flippant reasons. "It's only natural, accept it" and the like.

So when it happens it will no longer be anarchism and just turn into a government...that's my thought on it. Which by the way, I appreciate the activity in this forum Mr.

Anarchism espouses the belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis. It's doesn't metamorphose into another form of what it seeks to get rid of.

No, first, you can't fix the flaws. It will never happen, and that is with any system. To me, Anarchy is a natural thing. It should happen and not have man made law effecting it's way.

History has led us on a march towards ever increasing bureaucracy and government control. We might see decentralization of power, but governments have always been in control; we do not see a "natural" trend towards the opposite case. Democracy has given the people more power, yet this is only within the framework of a functioning government and state apparatus, abominations to anarchists.

 

Posted Oct 6, '12 at 10:39am

danielo

danielo

1,378 posts

Peopel who lived naturaly died at the age of 15. If they were lucky to survive the first 3 years. That all i have to say.

My neighbores had dogs. i have dogs too. she feed them only bones and left over. once i told her that its not healthy for the dogs. she said to me "well, this is what they eat in the nature". so i told her "in nature they would die years ago". same here. so you say "lets try! it could be fun!". we dont talk about a ice cream falvor or a ride in a theme park. we talk about something that effect the life of millions. and its not natural to live in comepletly equality. its not natural to help each other. we used to take order. from the leader, when it was chief, king or a president. we are sheeps, not lizards. we are wolf in a pack, not jaguars.

There is enough problme in Israel with the settlers who build without premision. so you say "lets everyone to whatever they want, no rules!"?
civilization is based on rules and Bureaucracy.
This is what stop your neighbore from building a mall on you yard! What stop a farmer passing his livestock on you house!
What stop investors building a water park just in front of your house!
Its what make resturants not to put dead rats in the meat.
What make car makers not use cheap stuff to save money.
What make doctors not fake desease adn take more money on you!

Bureaucracy is not a punishment. its what keep life in order. its so obviuse you live in place wher there is order. no one threat you as a country, no army is threat to invade you. I live under the range of rockets. I know how much this system is important! Its so obviuse you dont know what hate its. And im not talking about a far away wakko who say he need to destroy USA, and maybe even do soem terror attack. i talk about a real threat. armies of people who just look for a excuse to charge on my country. So yea, building a house require allot of paper work, and you pay taxes. but how a nation, my people will defend themselve otherwise? people will donate money? everyone will share? Im sure you understand its not going to happen.
In a group of 50 dudes in a lonely island, maybe. On a far away lands, at the wilderness? maybe. but in place wher there arer more than 6000 peoples its just a Childish dream on a perfect world, wher everyone live in peace with each other and flowers and butterflies!

And here is another storie. i was a compere at a youth organization, wher teens make activities for younger kids once a week, with ideas of Tolerance and peace. So me and two other comperes were needed to make our first activite for a group of 3th graders. The other two wanted to do a ball game, wher people throw a ball to each other, say ther name and there favorite animal. I  immediately rold them "what ball we will use? we need to bring a ball". so they said "dont be so distresed, we will find one". then they wanted to make Pittas on a Tabun {a Iron dome that you put over the fire and put Dough on}. i said "does one of you know how to use it?" they said "stop be so negative!". in the day of the activity, we didnt found any ball {because no one thought to bring one}, and the one in the club, wher we do teh activities, was cut in half. then, when we made the pittas, all of them fell to the fire, as no one of them tought to bring a spetula or something, and we didnt knew how to take the Dough out of the tabun. I dont need to say that the activitie was a total failure.

You say "lets do anarchy! dont think, just do! dont be so negative, it will work!". I dont want my Pitta to fall into the fire.

 

Posted Oct 6, '12 at 12:59pm

_Spaz_

_Spaz_

126 posts

Yet you still cannot promote your case effectively and rebutt most of our arguments, instead dismissing them with flippant reasons. "It's only natural, accept it" and the like.

That is my case...I don't see how else to present it. Anarchy is a natural thing...when it happens...it happens. And people will naturally turn to Anarchism.

we do not see a "natural" trend towards the opposite case

So far.

 
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