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I really do not think people understand what Anarchism is. I am an Anarchist myself and it is saddening to hear that people think that Anarchy is "Chaos" and "Disorder" when in reality it is the opposite. I think people have grown so attached to their governments that they depend on them to run their lives and without it there will be chaos. That's just chaos, not Anarchy. Anarchy is peace and order. Government is violence. Anyone care to add to this?
*If you are going to argue this please do not state the fact that it can not work. That is a lame argument and needs to be backed up with evidence and proof.
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Murray Rothbard the man who invented the idea of Anarcho-capitalism said himself that they are not anarchists, saying "we are not anarchists, and those who call us anarchists are not firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical" Because, all anarchists had socialistic elements in their doctrines and possessed socialistic economic doctrines in common" This is from his article called "Are Libertarians 'Anarchists'?"


Murray Rothbard is WRONG. Not all anarchists hold socialistic economic doctrines. That's like saying all communists are Russian.

In conclusion, it is not anarchism, you are just a capitalist. And what you will have on your hands is what we have today. Corruption and tons of power to the rich.


Do not use the word &quotower" if you do not understand what power is. The rich are &quotowerful" because they are able to bribe the government. THIS is why we have anarcho-capitalists. The rich have very little power when there isn't government to bribe.

That is anarcho-capitalism. Anarchism is a stateless society, and anarcho-capitalism is a stateless society that operates off a free market. That is literally a form of anarchy.

If you support a free-market that exists without government, you're an anarchist, and anyone who says otherwise is misconstruing the definition of anarchism.

Capitalism, socialism, and communism all have to do with economics. They can all theoretically be anarchist, or totalitarian. They can all be a democracy, or an autocracy.
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"Anarcho capitalism is sort of like state socialism: nice in theory; individuals who own buisness and buy labor, others who sell labor and all that, in a world where there's no large, centralized power base but it has tons or real-world inapplicability. Invidiual and olipolic tyrannies being little substitute for state tyranny is one of them."


It's impossible to discuss capitalism to someone who doesn't believe in competition.

What's even more scary is how you blatantly ignore all the problems associated with communism. You even suggested we go without currency. You have no idea how trade works at all, except for the basic "I give you A and you give me B." You fail to understand that trade must be consensual and if two people don't have what the other person wants, trade doesn't take place. In a society without currency, you WILL have this problem.

Currency exists as a medium so that two people who don't have objects the other desires can still trade.

Money is not the root of greed, desire for objects is the root of greed. You use money to buy said objects. Getting rid of money will not get rid of the desire for objects. That is a FACT.
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I feel like I have talked to you before about this in the past. lol. Capitalism creates unfair conditions.

Who regulates the currency and the market and the private armies and the courthouses? If this is Anarchists WHY do you need courthouses and armies? I never understood that.

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I actually mentioned the Ancom famous slogan "You work according to your needs" I do'nt see how I ignored that. You really don't need money which yes, objects create greed. An why are you assuming All of this? I never mentioned or even said "Trade A for B" ?Where do you get this from. If you know anything about Ancom you know we go off a different form of trading or exchanging. Research time?

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You come off as very angry and hostile sir :/

I am being friendly

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Who regulates the currency and the market and the private armies and the courthouses? If this is Anarchists WHY do you need courthouses and armies? I never understood that.


Courthouses and armies are NOT necessary for capitalist societies.

The reason they exist in state-capitalist societies is very simple. We have courts designed to protect people from harm, fraud, etc. We have armies to protect the country from foreign invaders.

Currency is currently regulated by the state. In a nutshell, the reason for this is to reduce counterfeiting. This is why many people prefer the gold standard, because it's way too easy to print paper money.

But again, capitalism works off of free trade. You can argue that capitalism can't exist without the state, and therefore anarcho-capitalism is impossible, but you can't deny that there's an anarcho-capitalist theory that clearly exists.

Do tell me, how do you trade without currency? I have yet to receive even the simplest example of basic trade in a currency-less society.

You should take a business class, because you'll learn that business owners are often skilled in making decisions for the company that allow the company to thrive, which results in the creation of better quality goods at reduced prices. People who work for these companies often have no idea how to run the business, but they know how to do their role within the company (whether it be production, finances, etc.) If something such as Microsoft was shared by everyone, who would determine the companies decisions? All the thousands of workers? (Don't get me wrong, Microsoft was allowed to grow so huge because of patents).

Let's say there's a company made up of a mere 100 employees. 90 of the employees only work on a part of the company, but none of them understand how to run a company without going bankrupt or causing other problems. That's the job of the remaining 10 people. Under communism, everyone would determine the direction the company goes, but not everyone is suitable to make such decisions. In fact, many people don't want to make such decisions, they just want to get their paycheck (or their share of the products so they can barter until they get the goods they want/need in return).

With currency, you can trade with anyone. Without currency, you have to find someone who not only has what you want, but needs what you have to trade.
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Actually, NoName, we are suppose to be working together (if you are an anarchist) and help people understand anarchism even if we believe in different schools of thought.

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Anarchy has too many holes in its structure to be applicable to the real world. There's a reason almost every society in the world has a form of government, whether corrupted or not. The reason is, government works in ways that benefit the majority of everyone involved and lead to lower mortality rates. Anarchy leads to chaos, that is why everyone thinks anarchy means chaos.

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I think people should work where they are bested skilled at. Noone is forcing you to work somewhere. If you skill in a specific job than work there. If I'm not a computer programmer and I am good at construction, then I am probably not going to work at microsoft but most likely with a construction team.

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Alpha, there are many cases where Anarchism working in big society's, its when government got involved is when they failed. Like the free territory. and spain.

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Alpha, there are many cases where Anarchism working in big society's, its when government got involved is when they failed. Like the free territory. and spain.


Name SPECIFIC instances. Not vague references like "the free territory".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

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I don't dont know what happened those last 3 failed attempts...lol

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Did any of these communities stand up to the ultimate test of time? No. They all fizzled out within a few decades. Want me to scientifically explain why anarchy is destined to fail?

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"Ultimate test of time"? LOL. Every society fails, That's reality. If you are asking for a utopia, well...good luck Charlie.

Anarchy is a matter of preference. You shouldn't stop a society from being a society because you think it's "destined to fail". EVERY country/society is destined to fail. THAT is fact sir.

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