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Posted Oct 1, '12 at 9:48pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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In most cases, they dont bring wepones.

In most cases in the US, they do.
Here:
Firearms were used in 42.6 percent of the robberies for which the UCR Program received additional information in 2009. Strong-arm tactics were used in 41.1 percent of the total number of robberies, knives and cutting instruments were used in 7.7 percent, and other dangerous weapons were used in 8.7 percent of robberies in 2009.
42.6% + 7.7% + 8.7% = 59%
Even if there's some overlap, it's still a majority.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 2:21pm

danielo

danielo

524 posts

So its a circle of violance. people have gins to protect themselves from thievs who arm themselve againt house holders.

Its just look so wierd to me, as a none-american. Only old people get rubbed by force here in Israel, and even every time its happen its on the news - and its very rare.

what the diffrunces? why almost everywher else rubbers wont ever kill and steal?
you dont fight vikings. these "thieves" are not nomads from other country who come, pillage and run way. they are peoples! they dont do that for glory, but for living.
sure, blame them for there school grades, for them beign "lazy".
when a man have a chanse to live better, he will do. you cant live on the salary of a waitres or street cleaner. so they have a "extra salary". no one choose to live this life.

I mena, you are talking about killing a man! he wont kill your family for a TV! he will only protect himself. Give me 1 case wher this viking killed everyone.

you dont protect your family, you protect your dignity and property.
this is my opinion. My friend house was robbed twice this year. he was insid ewhen it happened, sleeping. and here the magic - they didnt killed him! in the place wher i lived, a man saw some thieves in the house at night, so he yell at them and rush them off without any loot. they didnt killed him.

What you do is to be hte police. I dont think a man can shoot a man over a crime by his own will. so he saw someone go down from his sister window. so suddenly he allowed to kill him? because he his a "criminal - a wild beast that look like a human"?

These are peoples, ill say it again! some propebly your age. so yea, some of them need the money for drugs. so they are free to kill?
"Defending his property" - what year is it? we are not in medieval! its not the huns or the mongols.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 3:27pm

NoNameC68

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what the diffrunces? why almost everywher else rubbers wont ever kill and steal?
you dont fight vikings. these "thieves" are not nomads from other country who come, pillage and run way. they are peoples! they dont do that for glory, but for living.
sure, blame them for there school grades, for them beign "lazy".
when a man have a chanse to live better, he will do. you cant live on the salary of a waitres or street cleaner. so they have a "extra salary". no one choose to live this life.

They do choose their said life. You don't screw with other people just because you want more, as simple as that.

I mena, you are talking about killing a man! he wont kill your family for a TV! he will only protect himself. Give me 1 case wher this viking killed everyone.

Many people have successfully defended themselves with guns without having to fire their weapon. When you break into someone's home, you take the chance of getting shot, and it's a fair chances considering you're breaking into someone's home.

You do not break into other people's homes. The moment you do, you're a threat. You shouldn't only protect yourself with a gun from criminals that are clearly going to hurt you physically. You protect your property as well. You just don't let people get away with evil, as simple as that.

What you do is to be hte police. I dont think a man can shoot a man over a crime by his own will. so he saw someone go down from his sister window. so suddenly he allowed to kill him? because he his a "criminal - a wild beast that look like a human"?

**** ****ing right you have the right to point a gun at said person. Again, guns are often used without anyone actually getting hurt. If someone is sneaking out of a family member's room, you have no idea if they've been ***** or killed, and you can't afford to let such a criminal get away. Again, most people don't actually have to fire their weapons to subdue a criminal.

This case, the one linked in the original post, is not a regular case.

you dont protect your family, you protect your dignity and property.
this is my opinion. My friend house was robbed twice this year. he was insid ewhen it happened, sleeping. and here the magic - they didnt killed him! in the place wher i lived, a man saw some thieves in the house at night, so he yell at them and rush them off without any loot. they didnt killed him.

Yes, because that one criminal was all the criminals. I linked a video where a man was choking a woman before her daughter came into the room with a gun and saved her. I guess that didn't really happen since it never happened to your neighbor, right?

The neighbor was safe because the criminal didn't want any direct confrontation. Not all criminals are like this. Not everyone will be able to scare away a thief. Furthermore, you said the robber ran off with no harm done, right? If your neighbor pointed a gun at the criminal and called the cops, the cops could have arrested this man. That way, he wouldn't rob anyone else's house.

These are peoples, ill say it again! some propebly your age. so yea, some of them need the money for drugs. so they are free to kill?
"Defending his property" - what year is it? we are not in medieval! its not the huns or the mongols.

Again, the thief who ran away from your neighbor's house is not all the thieves. The story linked in the opening post is not how every confrontation ends when a citizen pulls out a gun.

Everyone should have a right to defend their family and their property. Sure, it's just a thief who want's maybe your TV or some of your money, it's not worth pointing a gun at his head, you should just let him be on his marry way. Maybe you can have a cup of tea before he leaves so he doesn't get too dehydrated during his next raid.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 3:45pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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these "thieves" are not nomads from other country who come, pillage and run way. they are peoples!

Are you implying that nomads aren't people?

no one choose to live this life.

Are you saying they aren't responsible for their decisions?

so he saw someone go down from his sister window. so suddenly he allowed to kill him?

It's largely illegal to shoot someone who's retreating. Usually those homeowners are charged.

Give me 1 case wher this viking killed everyone.

In 5 seconds of searching, I found a homeowner who was shot in the face, another who was shot in the leg and pistol-whipped, another beaten, tazed, and fatally shot in the chest, another fatally shot, another stabbed repeatedly, and another fatally shot. But I found many like this.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 4:51pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,155 posts

Noname and EmperorPalpatine pretty much covered what I wanted to say, but I'll emphasize this last bit.

Danielo, just because a gun is pulled doesn't mean shots are going to be fired. Even if someone has a gun, that doesn't mean they are going to pull it in every situation. If they do shoot, that doesn't mean they are going to go berserk and shoot everyone who twitches.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 5:04pm

Salvidian

Salvidian

2,435 posts

just because a gun is pulled doesn't mean shots are going to be fired. Even if someone has a gun, that doesn't mean they are going to pull it in every situation. If they do shoot, that doesn't mean they are going to go berserk and shoot everyone who twitches.

Speak for yourself. :P

Actually, it was kind of hinted by many posts, you guys say you have the right to pull a gun on someone if they threaten your life. Um, no, not here. I live in the US, just like 90% of you, and a recent law was passed for our state that causes charges to be pressed against both parties. In other words, if I get a knife pulled on me and I pull out my gun and don't even shoot, we both get charged with assault. No self-defense anymore.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 6:23pm

wflag10

wflag10

65 posts

"Actually, it was kind of hinted by many posts, you guys say you have the right to pull a gun on someone if they threaten your life. Um, no, not here. I live in the US, just like 90% of you, and a recent law was passed for our state that causes charges to be pressed against both parties. In other words, if I get a knife pulled on me and I pull out my gun and don't even shoot, we both get charged with assault. No self-defense anymore."

In my state we are allowed to pull a gun if we are threatened. I forget the name of the law through.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 6:34pm

Bluydee

Bluydee

691 posts

    These are peoples, ill say it again! some propebly your age. so yea, some of them need the money for drugs. so they are free to kill?
    "Defending his property" - what year is it? we are not in medieval! its not the huns or the mongols.

I don't want to have to argue about my heritage again, but Mongolia had the law of protecting your property, but because thievery back then also included kidnapping, and your family is technically your property back then.

What's sadder is that this is the third time this year in which people used Mongolia as an insult this year. People should respect other races. Nobody is using Israeli as an insult.

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 6:58pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

4,403 posts

In my state we are allowed to pull a gun if we are threatened. I forget the name of the law through

"Stand You Ground" Gun Law

And that is only allowed in about 23 states

 

Posted Oct 2, '12 at 7:24pm

wflag10

wflag10

65 posts

""Stand You Ground" Gun Law

And that is only allowed in about 23 states."

Thank you.

"What you do is to be hte police. I dont think a man can shoot a man over a crime by his own will. so he saw someone go down from his sister window. so suddenly he allowed to kill him? because he his a "criminal - a wild beast that look like a human"

Oh so if you see somebody climbing out of your window at night with all of your stuff, your not go to beat the crap out of him a lead pipe, or shoot him in this case? Sure, you can call the police but there still is the possibility that they will not find the culprit, and get back your stuff. BUT the real question is, why was the kid dressed like a thief or burglar and near his aunt's house.

"sure, blame them for there school grades, for them beign lazy."

I'm sorry if i missed it, but who blamed their grades?

"I mena, you are talking about killing a man! he wont kill your family for a TV! he will only protect himself."

People who are desperate enough will do anything.

"when a man have a chanse to live better, he will do. you cant live on the salary of a waitres or street cleaner. so they have a "extra salary". no one choose to live this life."

Ever heard of free will? Yes, they chose this life IT is the thief's fault, no it's or buts.

 
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