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Posted Oct 6, '12 at 11:10pm

nichodemus

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From what I can tell, there are Catholics who are Christians (who actually believe and follow Jesus), and there are those who aren't. There are also Protestants who claim they are Christians, and those who actually believe and follow Jesus.

Catholics are Christian. Why does the contrary seem such a popular opinion?

The past decade saw the rise of not just atheism and agnosticism but also New Atheism, a militant form of atheism that espouses ridding the world of religion and not just rejecting religion. We see too, the rise of the curiously modern and politicized religious fundamentalism.  If these trends are present, is it not a logical corollary that people are starting to be eve more rabid in their opinions?

 

Posted Oct 7, '12 at 10:06am

partydevil

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Why do atheists feel like they need to tell me my beliefs are wrong?

i think everyone should be stimulated to ask questions about their own religion.
most people who are religious, are religious because they don't know better. they have been indoctrinated as a child and never quetioned that what they have learned.
for me believing in a religion is like believing santa is real. or the toothfairy is real. and no1 has ever told them they are fake. they never got stimulated to think logically and question their believes.
and maybe by telling that they are wrong, and why/how they are wrong. that they will start to think and question their believes.

and if you then wanna ask. why they need to be told that they are wrong.
is because religion has brought allot of bad things to this world. that did not have to be here because they are wrong.
a religion free world would fix allot of current (and future) problems.

 

Posted Oct 7, '12 at 3:06pm

Salvidian

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a religion free world would fix allot of current (and future) problems.

But trying to expel religion would only result in more problems. People aren't going to throw their Bibles away just because you told them to. There's several examples of people taking over countries and forcing them to give up their religions, and if they didn't they were killed. A lot of people were killed.

Besides, religion is a natural thing. Cavemen needed to explain the stars some way or another, and considering they weren't aware of science, they chose to explain it with religion.

 

Posted Oct 7, '12 at 4:32pm

partydevil

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But trying to expel religion would only result in more problems. People aren't going to throw their Bibles away just because you told them to.

they don't have to. only thing i ask is to think logically about and question their current believes. if they do so and end up still believing then i wont force them to still reject it. that is just impossible. you can't change someones mind if they don't want to.

but those that do find out that their religion is nothing more then a hoax. will not indoctrinate their children whit it. so aslong atheism is growing, eventually all mayor religions will become as big as the voodoo religion is today. and after that hopefully be gone. that people will think back of this time as we are all so stupid the believe in religions. like we think people were dumb to believe that the earth was flat.
i think that will only take about 200 maybe 300 year.

religion is a natural thing.

if so then how come humans are the only animal on this earth that worships something unknown?

Cavemen needed to explain the stars some way or another

they didn't. caveman had to invented fire and arrowheads not religion. anyway todays religion have not as base the explanation of the stars. it's at most a small part of it. not the main event.
and about those religions that had this topic as main event. it's nice of them that they tryed. but we are 7000 year (or more) ahead of them now. they are kinda outdated for todays standard. ;)

 

Posted Oct 8, '12 at 9:50am

jeol

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if so then how come humans are the only animal on this earth that worships something unknown?

Have you ever asked an animal about it? :P

I see religion as a means to set a higher moral standard for yourself, at the least. Instead of comparing yourself with other people, you're comparing yourself with written commandments that by following gives you more integrity, in my opinion. That probably doesn't happen always, but considering, religious people may set higher moral standards when they're religious compared to when they're not.

 

Posted Oct 8, '12 at 11:26am

Kasic

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Have you ever asked an animal about it? :P

It would still be fairly obvious, since by definition of religion they would need to congregate and take part of specific rituals and follow specific rules.

That probably doesn't happen always, but considering, religious people may set higher moral standards when they're religious compared to when they're not.

Then why is it that non-religious people are usually higher up on the stages of moral development? Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development.

The majority of ways religion enacts its morals is through stage one, obedience or you're punished. Religion 'makes' people do good by threatening them or offering them a reward afterwards. Whereas non-religious people do good because they need to conform to society (stage two) or because they are being good because they realize it's good to be good (stage 3). Now, anyone in either group can be at any stage, but religion is only ever going to take people to level 1. Any further moral development comes from society and personal introspection.

 

Posted Oct 8, '12 at 3:37pm

jeol

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The majority of ways religion enacts its morals is through stage one, obedience or you're punished. Religion 'makes' people do good by threatening them or offering them a reward afterwards.

I cannot say that is entirely true for religion, at least the way my church interacts with it. We discourage any sort of 'scaring people to becoming Christians' or even glorifying heaven (i.e. Hey, the end times are coming!) like some people try to do. Indeed, there is reward for your good actions, but also for your motives, and beyond that. I would say most of the people in my church and fellowship recognize stage four or beyond. Very often, in my co-ops, the older students are expected to at least follow stage four to help guide the younger kids. I do recognize that this may not be the same for all of religion, though. Even at the youth conference that my fellowship attends, they were deliberately trying to scare people into becoming Christians, only, you're hardly a Christian if you are only in it to avoid hell.

So it really depends what sort of congregation you attend. The thought is that atheists may find all this on their own, but if you have a 'morally advanced' congregation you may try to follow up with that. I suppose most congregations may only feel the need to express level 1. Despite, I would highly doubt if God ever only wanted us to only fulfill level 1 from a Christian standpoint.

 

Posted Oct 8, '12 at 5:04pm

partydevil

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'morally advanced'

what morals do you have by your religion that are more advanced then mine?
what is a advanced moral anyway?

 

Posted Oct 8, '12 at 5:15pm

Kasic

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what is a advanced moral anyway?

Arguably, helping someone to make their life better is 'more advanced' than helping them in the hopes that they will help you. Or because you were told to help them.

So, while part of it is motive, there are other parts like consideration, empathy, values and rights.

Law is a good example. Stage one people conform because they're told to, and if they don't they are punished. Stage two they get something out of following the law. Stage three they do it so they fit in and are accepted. Stage four they do it because they believe it's necessary. Stage five because it's an agreement which all parties should uphold. Stage six because law is based on ethics and helps promote and protect people's interests.

 

Posted Oct 8, '12 at 5:31pm

Salvidian

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only thing i ask is to think logically about and question their current believes.

That's not gonna happen. They'll call you the devil. (No pun intended)

if so then how come humans are the only animal on this earth that worships something unknown?

Because we're the only animals that have the brain capacity to.

they didn't. caveman had to invented fire and arrowheads not religion. anyway todays religion have not as base the explanation of the stars. it's at most a small part of it. not the main event.
and about those religions that had this topic as main event. it's nice of them that they tryed. but we are 7000 year (or more) ahead of them now. they are kinda outdated for todays standard. ;)

I was talking about a long time ago. I'm not saying Christianity began from Christians staring at the skies. The Greeks and Romans believed the stars were gods. This developed into more advanced religions.