ForumsWEPR[NECRO] Catholics aren't Christians, and other myths (apologetics thread)

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Jacen96
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Many times I have seen the phrase somewhere that Catholics are not Christians because of several reasons. I am looking for protestants who have a bone to pick and I want you to give support for what you say.

p.s. Claims such as the Catholic Church founded the Islamic religion,[26] The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as well as the Jehovah's Witnesses; persecuting Jews; starting the Holocaust: and founding Communism, Nazism, and the Ku Klux Klan; and starting the World Wars. Will be easy to refute because of the fact that many of these organizations are anti-catholic.

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Christotheking
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I wold have to say that Catholics are christains, because they believe in almost all the same things.

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@jacen: the bible even said that it can save, and it doesn't say that you need the pope or Devine knowledge from the pope to be saved

2 Tomothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Does that sound like the bible doesn't have everything you need to be saved?

And if that's not enough I have more

Romans 1:16

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

And if you read acts 2 and peter's sermon on the Pentecost you'll see that 3,000 people were saved after hearing only peter's sermon and little else from what they might have previously heard and from the Old Testament, so if they could be saved without the whole Gospel, why couldn't we?

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*without the whole bible* pardon me

Jacen96
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2 Timothy chapter 3 verse 15, "the Church is the pillar and foundation (ground) of truth."
Looks like the Bible says to look towards the CHURCH for truth.

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Looks like the Bible says to look towards the CHURCH for truth.


that not what it really means, its a example or a term kinda
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All Christians are equal.
Some are more equal than others.
The more equal Christians get to decide that they are Christians and that Catholics are not Christians.
They both have the right to follow whatever faith they want according to the United Nations.

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2 Timothy chapter 3 verse 15, "the Church is the pillar and foundation (ground) of truth."

I really want to know what version was used to find this. KJV says the holy scriptures. KJ21 says the holy scriptures. NKJV says holy scriptures. NIV says the holy scriptures. ASV says sacred writings. AMP says sacred writings. CEB says holy scriptures. CJB says holy scriptures. CEV says holy scriptures. DARBY says sacred letters. I went through every English bible on BibleGateway and NONE said Church. They all said holy/sacred scriptures/writings/letters.
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I really want to know what version was used to find this.


He got the wrong Timmy. It's in 1 Timothy 3:15
http://bible.cc/1_timothy/3-15.htm
Jacen96
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He got the wrong Timmy. It's in 1 Timothy 3:15
I copied it from an earlier post and forgot to fix the mistake.

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as i said before, read acts 2

Jacen96
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Acts chapter 2: the biblical account of the first disciples to receive the holy spirit, (the 3k converts is reference to 3k dissidents in OT and golden calf), this is recreated many times, (usually on Easter) in the sacrament of confirmation, so that everyone receives the Holy Spirit and becomes a "soldier" for Christ.

Again, Jesus said multiple times that works are required, the preaching was what got them to convert in the first place.

~~~Darth Caedus

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Well I this should settle the whole debate about Catholics and whatnot

Matthew 8: 14-15

Jesus went to Peterâs home, and there he saw Peterâs mother-in-law sick in bed with a fever. He touched her hand; the fever left her, and she got up and began to wait on him

There you go, Peter had a mother-in-law so he was married, so he couldn't have been pope.

Jacen96
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There you go, Peter had a mother-in-law so he was married, so he couldn't have been pope.
why does him being married mean he couldn't have been pope, and how do you know his wife wasn't already dead?

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Quite a few popes have been married. For many years of the Church's history, celibacy was considered optional. Based on the customs of the times, it is assumed by many that like Peter, most of the Apostles were married and had families. It was only in the Middle Ages where the Church officially sanctioned celibacy, although we all know that a few of them still flaunted the rules.

In fact, some Catholic scholars, such as Peter Fink and George T. Dennis SJ of Catholic University of America, have argued that we cannot know if priests in early Christianity practised sexual abstinence. Dennis says "there is simply no clear evidence of a general tradition or practice, much less of an obligation, of priestly celibacy-continence before the beginning of the fourth
century. (Dennis, George T. SJ on Cochini, C. The Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy (book review), Theological Studies, 52:4 (1991ec.) p.738)

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And once more... this thread has been necro'd (the necro-post was deleted), but if someone wants to properly continue the discussion in a normal way, please let me know and I will unlock it again. Thank you. =)

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