You americans can only be reasoned with violence.

Please don't generalize like that. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if I said, "You Pakistani can only be reasoned with violence." and would undoubtedly argue that you're not all like that.

Take note that you're arguing with people who have already come up with a stance that "It's America's business and we can do whatever we want" should already show you that you're not dealing with the average person.

Provide more information please.

You americans can only be reasoned with violence.

Not really, given that they are few and far between who would dare render such violence upon the US.

Please don't generalize like that. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if I said, "You Pakistani can only be reasoned with violence." and would undoubtedly argue that you're not all like that.

Take note that you're arguing with people who have already come up with a stance that "It's America's business and we can do whatever we want" should already show you that you're not dealing with the average person.

Provide more information please.

I justed wanted flame him a bit:)
I'll give you a summary:-
Many afghan talibans and al qaida members are in Pakistan.
Pakistan have done many military operations to finish them.
They run to afghanistan.
Pakistan wants Afghanistan to stop them from entering.
Afghanistan can't do that and Us does not care.
Pakistan tried to build a fence but afghanistan objected.
Now, those talibans and Alqaida are in pakistan.
Instead of helping pak army US uses drone strikes.
and many times these drone strikes have resulted in civilian causalties.
Exactly how many civies  have died is unknown but number is pretty high.
Every died civi leaves a grieved  family and revenge is the motto by which those people live.
So, effectively drones are acting as recruitment Sargents for taliban and al qaida.

Not really, given that they are few and far between who would dare render such violence upon the US.

Using drones is increasing their number gradually.

I justed wanted flame him a bit:)

Which is, interestingly enough, against this site's rules. And said statement could be taken as a writ of confession, thus sealing your guilt. Just thought you'd like to know. :)

I'll give you a summary:-
Many afghan talibans and al qaida members are in Pakistan.
Pakistan have done many military operations to finish them.
They run to afghanistan.
Pakistan wants Afghanistan to stop them from entering.
Afghanistan can't do that and Us does not care.
Pakistan tried to build a fence but afghanistan objected.
Now, those talibans and Alqaida are in pakistan.

It actually stems from both nation's inability to effectively police their border, coupled with extremely rugged terrain and a myriad of shifting tribal alliances. The insurgents use this to their advantage since US ground forces can't actually cross into Pakistani territory.

But nice job, attempting to paint Pakistan as the last bastion of defense against the Taliban. And way to totally throw Afghanistan under the bus.

Exactly how many civies  have died is unknown but number is pretty high.

If its unknown, than its unknown. Don't pull a BS number out of thin air so you can attempt to advance your 'argument.'

Every died civi leaves a grieved  family and revenge is the motto by which those people live.

Your opinion =/= The people of Pakistan's opinion.

And I dunno about you, but if my neighbor got blown up at 2:30 in the morning because he thought it'd be a good idea to wire up some mortar rounds and throw 'em in a ditch, I'd be making good progress if I could stick my nose out the front door a week later.

So, effectively drones are acting as recruitment Sargents for taliban and al qaida.

I regret to inform you, Punisher, that you are wrong.

How about sending a drone on their HQ's instead.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012 … ctivities/

So, effectively drones are acting as recruitment Sargents for taliban and al qaida.

Then those were people who already hated the US and are just looking for an easy answer to justify violence.  If your neighbor attacks the US, and the US retaliates, you don't get mad at the US, you get mad at your neighbor.  Unless of course you already hate the US or are an idiot.

Because on your wars against India you didnt even broke some civilian glasses right?

Stop this Hypocrisy!
punisher, not like many here, you know what war is realy is. you know what happen. not like some users here in AG, who never expirienced a war condition. you suppose to know that a explosive wepone, or any, can be 100% accurate and only harm the spesific target. you know how hard it is fighting guerrila warfare. So dont make it look like USA is hunting muslims for sport.

It actually stems from both nation's inability to effectively police their border, coupled with extremely rugged terrain and a myriad of shifting tribal alliances. The insurgents use this to their advantage since US ground forces can't actually cross into Pakistani territory.

But nice job, attempting to paint Pakistan as the last bastion of defense against the Taliban. And way to totally throw Afghanistan under the bus.

Now you are making strawmen.
Pakistan, does operations regularly but TTP goes back in Afghanistan and we can't do crap about them.
Hell, US have evacuated many bases near af pak border
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208307/Americas-deadly-double-tap-drone-attacks-killing-49-people-known-terrorist-Pakistan.html
http://observers.france24.com/content/20121009-pakistani-protesters-drone-attacks-inciting-more-hatred-peace-march-imran-khan-south-waziristan-taliban-terror
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/drone-attacks-terrorist-safe-havens_n_1572788.html
http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/sizing-up-the-effects-of-u-s-drone-attacks/
http://rt.com/usa/news/drone-strike-obama-casualties-604/

Then those were people who already hated the US and are just looking for an easy answer to justify violence.  If your neighbor attacks the US, and the US retaliates, you don't get mad at the US, you get mad at your neighbor.  Unless of course you already hate the US or are an idiot.

Or if I lose a freind or family to US drones

Your opinion =/= The people of Pakistan's opinion.

I am talking about FATA people, they are tribals and their wars go on for decades and yes they live for revenge.

Because on your wars against India you didnt even broke some civilian glasses right?

Stop this Hypocrisy!
punisher, not like many here, you know what war is realy is. you know what happen. not like some users here in AG, who never expirienced a war condition. you suppose to know that a explosive wepone, or any, can be 100% accurate and only harm the spesific target. you know how hard it is fighting guerrila warfare. So dont make it look like USA is hunting muslims for sport.

Don't put words in my mouth, also in war, you bomb your enemies, not your allies

I know the difference.

i wont go too much into the dabate but i have to say that you really cant say that. i remember a thread where you said yourself that every single israeli and american is an enemy