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shock457
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Well, as you may have heard. The government will make major changes by the year 2020. This affects me because this is when I graduate from college. Education reforms are bound to happen and education will greatly improve, but I get none of this.

Now, to the main point of the topic. Do you think education needs to be reformed or the people themselves?

Honestly, I believe that education needs reforms. Look at America. We are one the top countries to be spending a vast amount of our income to education. However, we are not doing well in our scores. There are many countries who spends half of what we spend, yet their scores rivals ours.

If education is vital to our economy, why does the government focus on Health Care and Education before anything else?

Would jobs go first before education? (Sort of like the chicken and egg question.)

Please give your thoughts and opinions about this matter.

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Honestly, I believe that education needs reforms. Look at America. We are one the top countries to be spending a vast amount of our income to education. However, we are not doing well in our scores. There are many countries who spends half of what we spend, yet their scores rivals ours.


A good example is Finland, who consistently scores the top 5 in academia for just scraping the exams and homework economy altogether and just have a relaxing, free way of teaching students. We have recently tried to be like China in Japan in terms of scrutiny of testing, but should we point ourselves towards them or adopt Finland's policies?

Universities are private institutions with public subsidies, so of course they operate like a business. This works in conjunction with employment. Employers want people with degrees, even with jobs that don't require that in-depth of an education. Universities respond to this demand by installing "supplementary" courses along with your degree to implement "well-rounded" proficiencies, even though your career might not be exposed to this content at all. All this so more people apply to the colleges to meet the demands so colleges can net more profits and especially more with the supplemental courses.

The days of apprenticeships are going the way of the dinosaurs.
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The truth is, education is expensive


Education expensive? Is it really expensive or are we the ones who spend too much on education?

Just think about it. America is one of the top countries in money spending for education, yet we are still horrible in our sujects. If I remember correctly, we are 14th in Science, 12th in Reading, 24th in Math. You know how horrible that is? We could be the number one country if you think about it deeply.

A good example is Finland, who consistently scores the top 5 in academia


Well, you do bring up a good point there. Finland's economy is one of the most developed in the world. Not to mention they are 2nd in both Math and Reading and used to be 1st in Science. That is outstanding.

As for their scores, students there could be more serious, unlike here. Well, everything depends on the people. If we were the top in education, our economy would be twice as better as it is now.
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@Joel Right on all accounts. If all we have in the future are well-educated engineers, architects and the like, who the heck carries out all the grand plans, or gets the stuff in the first place? Generally, in education, you get out what you put in. If the teachers are good enough, but not fantastic, no matter. If you wind up without a degree, it is either because your school was terrible or you never paid good attention. But you cannot always blame the government for the fact you didn't try hard.

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Education is the most important aspect of a developed economy; it is an investment in the next generation to make them more specialized workers and therefore be able to do more specialized jobs. A person without education might, say, work at a fast food resturant. Doing so takes no specific education besides an ability to speak, being able to cook basically. A person with a specilized education will be able to do a job that others generally cannot. For example, a person who has gone through many science-oriented courses can do a science job that many others can't do.

Basically the whole world competes in this; after all, without education, how long will your #1 status last. Young people are the future. They are our future workforce, the people who will take care of us. A good ratio that shows the importance of this is the dependency ratio. Simply a high one, Europe and Japan, leads to problems.

Education is important, but can it be done?

-fiss

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i heard that the technologie etc. of todays go's to fast for schhols to keep up whit.
if someone starts a ICT study today that takes 4 year then in their 3rd year the info they got in year 1 is already outdated. and there are more examples like this.

maybe you guys are just as good at school as other countries but can people from other countries easyer adept to changes on the field.

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If you entered schooling this past year you would go through
1 year kindergarden
6 years grade school
3 years middle school
4 years high school
2-6 years secondary school
that would be 16 to 20 years. Can we speed up the process washington?

partydevil
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just 20 year?
here the average is 25 year and after that many people keep a study beside their job.
30/35 years in school isn't wierd around here.
maybe that is the problem. you guys want it to go to fast. learning takes time

shock457
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What?

Here is what I know.

Preschool - 1 year
Kindergarden - 1 year
Primary School - 6 years
Secondary School - 2 years
High School - 4 years
Community College, Trade School, University - 2-10 years

That is about 14-24 years of school. Also varies if you are going to college or not and what degree you are aiming for. It takes 10 years to earn a Doctorate's Degree. This is America Education System by the way.

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