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Posted Nov 11, '12 at 5:26pm

EnigmaX

EnigmaX

101 posts

What makes you so sure?
and if it is so, it does What makes you so sure?
Also had have it crashed on its own, it would have had been in a very bad shape.


1) The fact that the US Military, Fed, and independent groups have acknowledged the weakness of GPS systems, so much so that even civilian aircraft don't rely on GPS since stray beans can be picked up rather easily. So theres that, plus the fact that its military means there is a secondary system and may be even a third to make the drone resistant to hacking. But a Spoof attack is rather worthless because the GPS system isn't even the primary system. Your wiki article acknowledges this (source 17) and a quick perusal of sites using the search phrase "RQ-170 Iran spoof attack" confirms it.

2) Of course. But Iran claiming they got in through a spoof attack when the GPS is t even the main system for guiding the drone is fishy at best.

3) the problem is that the only images Iran has released of the drone have been of a mockup that was showed to the state-run media. And the details of an RQ-170 are available on Wikipedia, so it wouldn't be hard to make a fake. And given the bat-wing design of the aircraft, an engine failure (it does, after all, have only one) would cause the aircraft to go into a lateral spin as it fell, dispersing energy and slowing down further from air resistance so that it could impact the ground and stay in relatively good shape.

To make a statement?


The only statement that Iran sent was that it can't intercept an aircraft worth squat. And if they can't do it in international airspace, it stands to reason they can't do it in their own airspace either.
 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 6:38pm

toemas

toemas

347 posts

Well we should go to war and neutralize this anti-America anti-Israel threat that almost has nukes but I think with the president we have in office he is to dull (or to anti Israel) to do anything about it.

 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 6:39pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

1) The fact that the US Military, Fed, and independent groups have acknowledged the weakness of GPS systems, so much so that even civilian aircraft don't rely on GPS since stray beans can be picked up rather easily. So theres that, plus the fact that its military means there is a secondary system and may be even a third to make the drone resistant to hacking. But a Spoof attack is rather worthless because the GPS system isn't even the primary system. Your wiki article acknowledges this (source 17) and a quick perusal of sites using the search phrase "RQ-170 Iran spoof attack" confirms it.

2) Of course. But Iran claiming they got in through a spoof attack when the GPS is t even the main system for guiding the drone is fishy at best.

so you are saying that Iran did not hack it down?
Are you an IT expert?
On what base you claim that?
After all Plane has a software and all software is hackable.
The way I heard it, they overided its controls.
3) the problem is that the only images Iran has released of the drone have been of a mockup that was showed to the state-run media. And the details of an RQ-170 are available on Wikipedia, so it wouldn't be hard to make a fake. And given the bat-wing design of the aircraft, an engine failure (it does, after all, have only one) would cause the aircraft to go into a lateral spin as it fell, dispersing energy and slowing down further from air resistance so that it could impact the ground and stay in relatively good shape.

Oh, now you are a aerodynamics expert too?
what does you base it on?
The only statement that Iran sent was that it can't intercept an aircraft worth squat. And if they can't do it in international airspace, it stands to reason they can't do it in their own airspace either

Or they could just have fired warning shots.
Many times such things happen that a plane goes in another country's territory and they fire warning shots.
 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 6:44pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

Well we should go to war and neutralize this anti-America anti-Israel threat that almost has nukes but I think with the president we have in office he is to dull (or to anti Israel) to do anything about it.

Sure you should
but
Families of 6637 soldiers
and
73901 soldiers themselves
will disagree with you.
 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 7:00pm

EnigmaX

EnigmaX

101 posts

so you are saying that Iran did not hack it down?
Are you an IT expert?
On what base you claim that?
After all Plane has a software and all software is hackable.
The way I heard it, they overided its controls.


Nope. Are you an IT expert?

The fact that the RQ170 has software doesn't mean that Iran can hack it. Given that they claim they bought it down by a GPS Spoof and the drone DOESNT USE GPS AS A PRIMARY NAVIGATION INSTRUMENT:

Boom!
Bang!

I assume that since you have access to Armorgames, you can perform a Google search. May be do a bit ofresearch about how drones fly, navigate, etc. Waypoint navigation, inertia systems, and the lack of emphasis on a GPS system should all be looked into you.

And what Iran has said, and what you have heard, is that they broke the universe and fit a square peg into a round hole, because none of what they said makes any sense what so ever.

[quoteOh, now you are a aerodynamics expert too?
what does you base it on?[/quote]

Basic physics and knowledge of what happens to flying-wings when they lose power: they lateral spin. Also known as a Graveyard Dive and Death Spiral.

Or they could just have fired warning shots.
Many times such things happen that a plane goes in another country's territory and they fire warning shots.


I'd ask if you were a warning shot expert, but the fact that you don't seem to understand that doing so is an act of war would lend itself otherwise.
 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 7:14pm

xerox

xerox

512 posts

The only problem is that Countries exist. If there were no countries, and everyone were united, half of the wars that happened for the past 5000 years. The other half are because of Religion.

Basically, you should not be proud of your country. They are all part of the same Planet. You should be proud that you are born On the Planet. The planet is in the universe, So You should be proud of being born in this universe... Actually you should be proud only of you being alive, It doesen't matter where you are born, be happy that you are born.

If we all unite, and everyone stop caring about themselves, it would be much better.

 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 7:15pm

xerox

xerox

512 posts

half of the wars that happened for the past 5000 years would not have happened *
Missed to say that.

 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 7:23pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

Boom!
Bang!

First one merely says that ity can use GPS way points nothing more about GPS tech.
and second one is a thread on some geeky site.
Give me something solid.
Basic physics and knowledge of what happens to flying-wings when they lose power: they lateral spin. Also known as a Graveyard Dive and Death Spiral.

You talking about this?
I fail to see how this is gonna reduce the impact.
I'd ask if you were a warning shot expert, but the fact that you don't seem to understand that doing so is an act of war would lend itself otherwise.

First of all it has not been agreed wether drone was in Iranian airspace on international.
Now as iranians go, they say it was on their side hence US was committing espionage and (depending on drones type)
was posing a serious threat to Iran.
Hence, even if they had downed it, it would have not been an act of war..
Shooting down an unknown aircraft on not responding and complying to landing orders is allowed.
 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 8:16pm

EnigmaX

EnigmaX

101 posts

First one merely says that ity can use GPS way points nothing more about GPS tech.
and second one is a thread on some geeky site.


Why don't you back your end up a bit? I have provided information, and it is common knowledge. Since you are making the claim the drone was hacked, proove it.

I fail to see how this is gonna reduce the impact


Your inability to comprehend changes nothing; Physics is not subject to your understanding of it. This entire principle is exemplified by a maple seed: the seed has a 'wing' appendage, turning the entire structure into a flying wing of sorts. You drop the seed, and it spins. This dissapates the energy and slows the seed down, allowing it to impact with significantly lower speed and thus, damage to the structure.

First of all it has not been agreed wether drone was in Iranian airspace on international.
Now as iranians go, they say it was on their side hence US was committing espionage and (depending on drones type)
was posing a serious threat to Iran.
Hence, even if they had downed it, it would have not been an act of war..
Shooting down an unknown aircraft on not responding and complying to landing orders is allowed.


You're the only one contesting it. Iran has made no me tion of the drone's location, and the US says it was 16 nautical miles out - 12 nautical miles is how far Iran's airspace extends. Unless you're saying Iran can't do math?

And Iran can't hide behind international laws when it has shown it has no qualms about breaking them.
 

Posted Nov 11, '12 at 8:25pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,863 posts

You're the only one contesting it. Iran has made no me tion of the drone's location, and the US says it was 16 nautical miles out - 12 nautical miles is how far Iran's airspace extends. Unless you're saying Iran can't do math?

A wall street journal article

Why don't you back your end up a bit? I have provided information, and it is common knowledge. Since you are making the claim the drone was hacked, proove it.

Link
Your inability to comprehend changes nothing; Physics is not subject to your understanding of it. This entire principle is exemplified by a maple seed: the seed has a 'wing' appendage, turning the entire structure into a flying wing of sorts. You drop the seed, and it spins. This dissapates the energy and slows the seed down, allowing it to impact with significantly lower speed and thus, damage to the structure.

A plane is not a seed.
Back it up with sources
 
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