vietnam was already communist befor the war

Monarchy, then French Colony, then split, then "Communist." But where are you getting your information, exactly?

dude we were a democracy befor the usa existed.
we and britian builded the usa from nothing.
whitout us. all americans would have been native americans doing the rain dance. and not the bounce of fools living there now.

From a historical standpoint, the Dutch played a very minor role in North America. After the Dune of York took New Amsterdam without firing a shot, the Dutch were effectively booted off the continent. Hell, the governor of New Amsterdam (Stugyven, I think. I'm sure my spelling is off.) was viewed with such hatred that the colonists welcomed the British as liberators. So really Britain, Spain, a d France shaped the future-US, not the Dutch.

And I like how you whine about my nationalism while exibiting it yourself.

As for the whole "Islam/Nightclub tangent", Islam in and of itself doesn't forbid it. Its when you have extremists with radical interpretations who mess things up. But as Punisher said, thats going off topic.

As for the whole "Islam/Nightclub tangent", Islam in and of itself doesn't forbid it. Its when you have extremists with radical interpretations who mess things up. But as Punisher said, thats going off topic.

now you are an expert on Islam too?rnmusic is haram
and free gathering of male female interaction is also haram.
and these are the two fore most things done in night clubs.

tell me how pals startes it first?

After the Dune of York took New Amsterdam without firing a shot

ofcourse he didn't fire a shot. we sold it to them.

the Dutch were effectively booted off the continent

former local politicians yes. not the common man.

So really Britain, Spain, a d France shaped the future-US, not the Dutch.

we made the start, sold it, and then the others went on whit it.

if we didn't bought the land of the indians to begin whit. then history would have been very different.

And I like how you whine about my nationalism while exibiting it yourself.

i never said we are better then anyone els. (except on the field of water management and logistics but that is because we are the best)
and on a side note. i meand that other guy that hasn't made a reply in a week or so...... why am i still replying to this? =S

music is haram

and you never think, "did they really take the right decision when they said this"

and you never think, "did they really take the right decision when they said this"

and why should i?

and why should i?

not saying you should.

i'm just wondering if it never jumped to your mind by your own.
i just can't imagion that someone has never doubted the ideas of a ancient guy who made up these "laws"

i mean music? really? what is evil about music?
why does arab music exist if it was always forbidden?
what hellish things will happen if you put on some nice tune?
why is the "priest" (sorry can't remember how it was called) singing the text in the book and not just saying it?

never the question "why is it haram?"? =S

not saying you should.

i'm just wondering if it never jumped to your mind by your own.
i just can't imagion that someone has never doubted the ideas of a ancient guy who made up these "laws"

i mean music? really? what is evil about music?
why does arab music exist if it was always forbidden?
what hellish things will happen if you put on some nice tune?
why is the "priest" (sorry can't remember how it was called) singing the text in the book and not just saying it?

never the question "why is it haram?"? =S

they say it distracts you.
Talking of I remember that in olden times, music was not much widespread as today.
and only rich people used to organise musical parties.
Those parties were not like any parties.
It had music dance and drugs and usually if someone made a habit of this, he used to end up bankrupt or worse.
Also I listen to music.

they say it distracts you.

and what they say is always right?
we don't need our own brain, what they say is right.

sure it can be distracting. but it can also be relaxing and making you concentrate better.

Talking of I remember that in olden times, music was not much widespread as today.
and only rich people used to organise musical parties

this is what i meant whit updating.
"because in the old times".... we dont live in the old times anymore right?
shouldn't we be revisiting the ideas made 1400 year ago and see if it still holds it's right.
i can imagion there is allot of baloney in it that would not be in there if we used our own mind to think except the one of the 1400 year old guy.

Also I listen to music.

doesn't that make you go to hell or something alike?
or do you just get 1 less virgin? =P

(for the record i'm not attacking you or your religion. i could argue this whit any religious person whit firm believe)

    they say it distracts you.

and what they say is always right?
we don't need our own brain, what they say is right.

What if what they say works for you?

this is what i meant whit updating.
"because in the old times".... we dont live in the old times anymore right?
shouldn't we be revisiting the ideas made 1400 year ago and see if it still holds it's right.
i can imagion there is allot of baloney in it that would not be in there if we used our own mind to think except the one of the 1400 year old guy.

Ever heard of strip clubs and mujra?
they still exist and they are same as they were 1400 years ago.
Can you point out any specific " baloney"?

     Also I listen to music.

doesn't that make you go to hell or something alike?
or do you just get 1 less virgin? =P

(for the record i'm not attacking you or your religion. i could argue this whit any religious person whit firm believe)

Those virgins have a name, "hoor ul ain"
and no, i don't know if how many will i have .

What if what they say works for you?

that is fine.
but then i wonder in your case, why do you listen to music =S

Ever heard of strip clubs and mujra?

strip clubs are not music. but is prostitution.
you can easly outlaw strip clubs and keep the music.
sorry i can't see your point here.
(never heard of mujra)

Those virgins have a name, "hoor ul ain"
and no, i don't know if how many will i have .

the virgin part was a joke sorry. (all virgins are the same or have the same name? (sorry, joke question again ;) )
the actual question was "wont you go to hell or something alike for that?"