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09philj
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I say U.K. We have gun control, which helps keep the homicide rate down. We also have free healthcare for all. That's a start;what do you think?

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pangtongshu
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This is where my problem starts Everyone gets health care... Good right??
Yeah thats good But when some people WORK for that and others DON'T then I have an issue.


What about those that can't work?

but in america you have the right to buy what you want to


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09philj
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Gun control won't keep crime rates up or down. That's a silly myth designed in part so that we can pretend like the wealth stratification we all benefit from isn't the real causal factor.

On the other hand, there is more homicide in th u.s.a.
(source: UNODC)
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New Zealand. I guess it's technically under the UK, but it isn't really bound to it. It at least doesn't have gun control, at least not in the case that no one can legally own a firearm. The healthcare system doesn't sound incredibly bad, but I'd have to do more research on it.

On the other hand, there is more homicide in th u.s.a.

As a percentage, or by number? And is that only by firearm?

Respectively, I do hear that the UK is a lot harder to get into these days, and most people in the UK are very self-conscious of crime.
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As a percentage, or by number? And is that only by firearm?


1. mexico: 18.3 per 100.000 people
2. estonia: 5.3 " " "
3. usa: 5.1 " " "
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So many ways you can go on this to argue who is better in which category (such as economy, military, etc)...but I'm guessing how you mean better isn't by comparison of these categories..but for personal preference.

For me..I'll just open up my military strategist me...U.S.A.
Especially now...it would be extremely difficult for the U.K. to win against the U.S. in a head-to-head war. Extremely..difficult


I agree with pangtongshu. It's really too hard to compare because they are both so different, and both have their pros and cons. Not sure it is possible to make a 100% determination between either being better or worse.
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Neither.

UK has the European Union which is messing everything up and the US is too fiscally irresponsible.
Canada is the way to go!

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It seems that many comments saying that the US is better are about Democracy and

you can buy what you want
yet the UK is a more liberal country and is still a democracy with an elected government.

I like the US, the food portions are great, everyone is friendly and things are cheaper there but it's just a bit too mad for me. Everyone keeps on cheering which does my head in.
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2 - Healthcare there is Free.

No it's not.


Um yes it is. The NHS provides a healthcare service free of charge. There are other options if you want a higher standard of healthcare, for that you have to pay.
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On the other hand, there is more homicide in th u.s.a.

Bigger population+bad economy+increase in illegal immigrants=more homicide
I would have to say U.S.A, simply because I have never been to England. Naturally, I would chose U.S.A.
nichodemus
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Bigger population+bad economy+increase in illegal immigrants=more homicide


England has a crappier economy. It too has many illegal immigrants, leading to the formation of more nationalist parties/groups, such as the BNP and EDL.

At any rate, per capita, the UK has around 4 times less a homicide rate.
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yet the UK is a more liberal country and is still a democracy with an elected government.


Except...UK is a Constitutional Monarchy
nichodemus
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Except...UK is a Constitutional Monarchy


Constitutional monarchy means little. The monarch has almost zero real power. It's far better to describe it as a democracy with a Parliamentary, Westminster system.
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Um yes it is. The NHS provides a healthcare service free of charge. There are other options if you want a higher standard of healthcare, for that you have to pay.

There's no such thing as free healthcare - maybe you don't have to pay for it, but the service is going to be crap and there's no guarantee that you'll even GET service - if there's an epidemic or emergency, you can be sure that your free healthcare won't be holding you up - else, if you're lucky, not many other people will.

And besides, you're probably paying for it one way or another - the money for it has to come from somewhere, and if it's funded by the government, that means that some of your taxes would be going to it, so no, it's not very free.
Except...UK is a Constitutional Monarchy

Isn't it technically an oligarchy? Or has that changed?
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Isn't it technically an oligarchy? Or has that changed?


No....I don't know where you get such ideas from. The aristocrats only have the House of Lords, and even then, they're going to curtail the power.
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And besides, you're probably paying for it one way or another - the money for it has to come from somewhere, and if it's funded by the government, that means that some of your taxes would be going to it, so no, it's not very free.

TANSTAAFL anyone? There aint' no such thing as a free lunch.
What is better, having a percentage of your pay taken away so that, if you get sick or injure yourself, it costs almost nothing, or paying through the nose for healthcare that many cannot afford?
But, I direct you people to a speech made by President Michael Higgins of Ireland against Michael Graham, Tea-Party supporter:
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