Forums

ForumsWorld Events, Politics, Religion, Etc.

Ghosts/Can atheists believe in them?

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 9:52am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,298 posts

Knight

EMP pulse? that is a emp pulse not ghosts.


EMF sorry.

EMP pulse? that is a emp pulse not ghosts.
leftover emotions? emotions? emotions are gone when we are dead. ever saw a dead body smile and wink? =S
or the emotions are flying around in open air.
how do you connect emotions whit ghosts? =S


Stone tapes.

Notice the apostrophe's around supernatural, spirits and ghosts. Not everyone thinks of ''ghosts'' as souls, but as natural phenomenon that we have not always been able to explain.
 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 10:19am

partydevil

partydevil

5,130 posts

Stone tapes.

also notice the &quotaranormal hypothesis"
or "Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation"

there is no such thing as paranormal...

It speculates that inanimate materials can absorb some form of energy from living beings; the hypothesis speculates that this "recording" happens especially during moments of high tension, such as murder, or during intense moments of someone's life.


means we can recreate these high tension situations. and we can see ourself as ghosts in those objects.
why didn't anyone do that yet? or have we ever heard of a case where someone sees the ghosts of a alive person?

if this really happens why dont wee see it all the time?
there could be stores whit things that have this special energy in it. it is a whole new market.

how does it absorb energy. or shell we start whit.. what energy? just energy is very wide. lets narrow down on the sort of energy 1st.
 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 10:23am

partydevil

partydevil

5,130 posts

EMF sorry.


still, a EMF is a EMF. not a ghost.
 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 10:32am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,298 posts

Knight

also notice the &quotaranormal hypothesis"
or "Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation"

there is no such thing as paranormal...


Science is always breaking barriers we never thought it would.

means we can recreate these high tension situations. and we can see ourself as ghosts in those objects.
why didn't anyone do that yet? or have we ever heard of a case where someone sees the ghosts of a alive person?

if this really happens why dont wee see it all the time?
there could be stores whit things that have this special energy in it. it is a whole new market.


Who knows? Science is still exploring them. And you're talking about such a hypothesis as if you know it's whole function and characteristics. Yet you claim we don't know much about them.


how does it absorb energy. or shell we start whit.. what energy? just energy is very wide. lets narrow down on the sort of energy 1st.


Again, no one has explained all situations.
 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 10:40am

partydevil

partydevil

5,130 posts

Science is always breaking barriers we never thought it would.


i'll come back when it is a hypothesis and not a paranormal hypothesis.
untill then it is paranormal i.e. not reality. i.e. false.
the whole idea fails to me. (i'm oing to send it to mythbusters. it gotta be a nice episode. scaring the hell out of them is always fun)

but anyway you said there are more explanations that does not include souls or a afterlife.

lets hear it.
 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 11:49am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,298 posts

Knight

i'll come back when it is a hypothesis and not a paranormal hypothesis.
untill then it is paranormal i.e. not reality. i.e. false.
the whole idea fails to me. (i'm oing to send it to mythbusters. it gotta be a nice episode. scaring the hell out of them is always fun)

but anyway you said there are more explanations that does not include souls or a afterlife.

lets hear it.


I've explained some of them already, and so have a couple others. If not, there's Google for you.

Now sayonara for a week.
 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 1:11pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,782 posts

Knight

It sounded crazy when someone said we revolved around the Sun. There's no definite conclusion to the ''supernatural''. I'm just waiting for the pieces to fall together.


The two aren't comparable. Each time an independent went back to reexamine the claim that we went around the sun thy were able to come to the same conclusion.

Leftover emotions, EMP signals, all sorts of theories abound, rather than just the ''soul''.


I fail to see how an emotion can be left over considering an emotion is just a chemical response in the brain.
Yes EMF can create situations that get mistaken for ghost activity. This is a well understood natural effect.

I have seen enough to convince me that there is something out there at any rate.


Can these experiences be repeated? If not these experiences should be set aside.

Who knows? Science is still exploring them. And you're talking about such a hypothesis as if you know it's whole function and characteristics. Yet you claim we don't know much about them.


We have no evidence that such energy exists, we have other explanations for such events. What we have is an unsupported claim of ghosts being claimed by another unsupported claim.

Again, no one has explained all situations.


Basically "we don't know, therefore ghosts"
Just because we might not have an explanation for every case doesn't mean we should start making stuff up.

how does it absorb energy. or shell we start whit.. what energy? just energy is very wide. lets narrow down on the sort of energy 1st.


I would have to agree that this would be the place to start with this claim.

What do we have?
Personal experience, which is unreliable.
An unknown, with a made up explanation.
And another made up explanation to support the previous made up explanation.

For us to do science and research this scientifically the only thing we can keep in all that is that there is an unknown.
 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 3:53pm

Jblaze101

Jblaze101

531 posts

I wouldn't think they would want to beleieve in them they dont really believe in an afterlife so why ghosts?

 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 6:29pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,305 posts

Knight

Again, ghosts are popular belief resulting from certain natural phenomena. (Since atheists are also subject to those phenomena, I see no reason why they should automatically disbelieve the existence of ghosts more than others). In that light, broadening the term "ghost" to unexplained sightings/experiences in general almost makes sense, but I refuse to attach a term coming from popular belief to something we don't know what it is. As Mage said,

Basically "we don't know, therefore ghosts"

is not really conclusive.
 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 3:43am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,757 posts

and why are there never ghosts of animals (except a dog or cat some1 used to love) why no dinosaur ghosts or lions, giant ghost fish. if ghosts are real why dont we see/feel/smell them all the time? =S


Religious idea of only humans have souls..maybe?

---

I like the explanations for what &quotaranormal activities" are actually most likely...so if you don't mind I have 2 more..

1) People getting scratch marks, say, on their back or neck despite nothing touching that area. And not light ones either...deep ones..maybe even ones that bleed

2) Not ghostly...but still strange and I'd like to see if a "reasonable explanation" is possible. Knew a woman who could basically tell if a grave was occupied by a child...when not seeing the dates on the tombstone. At a cemetery, going to each tombstone/grave, but looking at them from behind so that she couldn't see the dates (they were all facing the same way so she couldn't look ahead/peek at others...started from back to prevent cheating)..as we walked along she would point out which ones were occupied by children and got them all right (had had another person checking dates..she didn't skip over one or got one incorrect). As we were finishing we were walking by an area and she started to cry and asked if we could not go by there...we had figured the area was just an empty overrun small fielded area (no signs or anything about it)..but when we checked it out we found a bunch of overrun tombstones..the entire area had a bunch of tombstones, all for children
 
Reply to Ghosts/Can atheists believe in them?

You must be logged in to post a reply!