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Posted Dec 2, '12 at 12:11pm

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

1) People getting scratch marks, say, on their back or neck despite nothing touching that area. And not light ones either...deep ones..maybe even ones that bleed

One possible explanation is that it could be a form of dermographism.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1050294-overview

2) Not ghostly...but still strange and I'd like to see if a "reasonable explanation" is possible. Knew a woman who could basically tell if a grave was occupied by a child...when not seeing the dates on the tombstone. At a cemetery, going to each tombstone/grave, but looking at them from behind so that she couldn't see the dates (they were all facing the same way so she couldn't look ahead/peek at others...started from back to prevent cheating)..as we walked along she would point out which ones were occupied by children and got them all right (had had another person checking dates..she didn't skip over one or got one incorrect). As we were finishing we were walking by an area and she started to cry and asked if we could not go by there...we had figured the area was just an empty overrun small fielded area (no signs or anything about it)..but when we checked it out we found a bunch of overrun tombstones..the entire area had a bunch of tombstones, all for children

The first thing I would want to rule out is the possibility that she had been there before or had done research on the area prior to doing this.
I would also like to see her repeat her results under a more controlled environment.

A trick of some sort would have to be ruled out.
Derren Brown - How To Read Minds

Darren makes reference of picking up on signals from someone. It's possible for reading the headstones she was doing something similar. Your checker might have been consciously or unconsciously tipping her off.

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 12:21pm

HahiHa

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Knight

Were the tombs decorated individually or were they all identical? Because not only the signals from you guys may have given her a hint, but also the tombs themselves, as minor as the difference may be.

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 2:45pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,672 posts

Knight

1) People getting scratch marks, say, on their back or neck despite nothing touching that area. And not light ones either...deep ones..maybe even ones that bleed

Another possibility with this one is that they scratched themselves in a way that at first wasn't noticeable. This could been done intentionally or without their knowing they had been scratched.

I've had this happen to me before. I had the cat scratch my arm. At first it just looked like a few white lines (something that could easily go unnoticed), like the skin hadn't even been broken. I couldn't feel anything indicating that I was scratched either. Over a course of about 10-15 minutes the scratch became red and puffy, sore and even started to bleed. Now if I hadn't seen myself get scratched and was under the idea of supernatural explanations, how easy could it have been for me to think that these scratches just appeared out of no where?

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 5:49pm

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

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Another possibility with this one is that they scratched themselves in a way that at first wasn't noticeable. This could been done intentionally or without their knowing they had been scratched.

Two instances to help with making explanation easier

1) For a couple of months...every monday I would have scratch marks on my neck. I never noticed them..it was always someone else would notice 'em and asked me what happened. And it was only on mondays too..no marks on Sunday...marks on monday..then they were gone the next day

2) Not sure of the reliability of this one..but one of my teachers told me of how he and a couple of friends were at a supposedly haunted house..they entered and after some time the girl of the group yelped and arched her back like something hit her there..they checked her back to see what was wrong and saw 3 scratch marks going all the way down her back

@Hahiha...they were all different for the most part...but from what I could tell none gave any indication on the age of the person. Mages theory of the checker unknowingly giving hints seems pretty sound..as well as her being there before. Though, if she was, kudos to her on the tears haha

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 6:11pm

partydevil

partydevil

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Not sure of the reliability of this one..but one of my teachers told me of how he and a couple of friends were at a supposedly haunted house..they entered and after some time the girl of the group yelped and arched her back like something hit her there..they checked her back to see what was wrong and saw 3 scratch marks going all the way down her back

how come when i enter a supposed haunted house. that nothing like this happens =(

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 6:35pm

samiel

samiel

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Energy can not be created or destroyed and as we know there are electrical synapses in the brain  that form our conscies our memories our personality and so on and it is also understood that a supernatural presence can emit EMFs and the synapses retain information after the body has passed on and use energy from the sorrounding world to take shape so what this theory states is that spirits are electrical enomlies that have a personality and interact with the physical world

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 6:43pm

samiel

samiel

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how come when i enter a supposed haunted house. that nothing like this happens =(

that is because most houses are not actualy haunted and also spirits will only interact with certain people for certain reasons for example i have a and she is constantly tormented by spirits she is small and has emotional problems spirits will see that weakness target her and attach to that emotional energy

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 7:53pm

partydevil

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and it is also understood that a supernatural presence can emit EMFs

and who said supernatural presence do even exist? leave alone emit EMF's..
why not the tv or airco.
after all it's still supernatural. i.e. no scientific evidence whatsoever.

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 8:21pm

Kasic

Kasic

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there are electrical synapses in the brain  that form our conscies our memories our personality and so on

Yes and no. These synapses aren't purely electrical, but biological.

This is what you're talking about.

it is also understood that a supernatural presence can emit EMF

That's not really "understood" but "commonly believed" as there is no evidence for supernatural presences to begin with.

the synapses retain information after the body has passed on

Here's where your reasoning breaks down.

use energy from the sorrounding world to take shape

How would that even work?

this theory states is that spirits are electrical enomlies that have a personality and interact with the physical world

Basically, A + invalid B + C with an unknown component = ghosts? Either way, you're making a lot of jumps.

also spirits will only interact with certain people

Which just makes the claim of them existing even more unbelievable.

for example i have a and she is constantly tormented by spirits she is small and has emotional problems

Have a...what? Daughter? Sister? Either way, don't you think being tormented by "spirits" she sees is more likely to be signs of some psychological illness...especially in light that no one else around can see them?

attach to that emotional energy

Emotional energy? What is that? Do you mean like an aura, because those are just as unproven as ghosts.

 

Posted Dec 2, '12 at 8:44pm

samiel

samiel

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I just tried to make a scientific explination for ghosts of course it sucks

Have a...what? Daughter? Sister? Either way, don't you think being tormented by "spirits" she sees is more likely to be signs of some psychological illness...especially in light that no one else around can see them?

i didnt say no one alse could see them did I ? also i meant to type freind not important though

Emotional energy? What is that? Do you mean like an aura, because those are just as unproven as ghosts.

pretty much yah

 
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