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Posted Nov 21, '12 at 1:22am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

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Objects moving by themselves can be caused by any number of phenomena, small unnoticed tremors, EMF of the right intensity has been shown to levitate objects that aren't even magnetic just to name a couple.

I had a situation where I watched a lamp move across a rigged surface very swiftly (I was not watching the lamp waiting for something to happen...I just happened to be looking in the direction at the time)...it wasn't a surface where the lamp could just easily slide across..you'd have to put a lil effort into sliding it on that surface...would this situation still fit under these? The lamp didn't lift up...and I doubt a small, unnoticeable tremor could have made it move across that surface

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 4:17am

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,691 posts

Knight

would this situation still fit under these?

Yes, that actually fits very much with what I was saying.

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 6:43am

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

ghosts?

1: a prank
2: a scam
3: electro magnetic fields
4: infrasound
5: it's in your brain, not reality.
6: a combination of the above.

nha, i don't believe in ghosts.

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 11:21am

GhostOfHorror

GhostOfHorror

801 posts

So, I'ma share a story..

I used to live in a different house to the one I live in presently and we moved out because strange things were happening.
When my sister was walking down the stairs, she was pushed even though there wasn't anyone behind her, now, maybe she fell, I don't know. I wasn't there when that happened.
My sister also used to see a little girl when she was walking up the stairs and the little girl would be sitting there, twirling her hair in her finger.
Now, she could've imagined that, yeah but none of us know she was seeing it, she never told us until after we moved.
I had also saw it, and so did my mother and we each described the same girl committing the same action in the same place.
The likeliness of all of us imagining the exact same thing is rather odd.
My mother also used to see stone figures but none of us ever saw that so that is kind of irrelevant.

The day we moved out of the house; the front door locked on us, without a key in it.
And; we were barely able to get out the back door as if there was some sort of force there, it wasn't wind since it wasn't windy on that day.

Now, the probability of every single one of them being a figment of our imagination is quite low, so, yeah.

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 12:01pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,591 posts

Yet, we have all these "ghost hunter" reality shows nowadays where people go and investigate stories like this? How do they always end? "We didn't find a ghost this time, but I'm sure we will next time!"

Without knowing much, let me ask a few questions...

When my sister was walking down the stairs, she was pushed even though there wasn't anyone behind her, now, maybe she fell, I don't know. I wasn't there when that happened.

My sister also used to see a little girl when she was walking up the stairs and the little girl would be sitting there, twirling her hair in her finger.

First off, without anyone seeing anything, this isn't much of a claim. Secondly, how many times has your sister told this story? Things have a way of changing when they're retold. Also, how long ago was this?

I had also saw it, and so did my mother and we each described the same girl committing the same action in the same place.

Again, how long ago was all of this? When did you first start telling stories? Did everyone tell each other separately or at once, and just agree they had seen the same thing?

The likeliness of all of us imagining the exact same thing is rather odd.

The likelihood of everyone retelling events and making them ever more fanciful is rather high though, especially since people have a tendency to just agree with one another. Eye witness testimonies are not reliable by any means and you could easily have just fed off each other's stories and combined them over time.

Again though, how long ago was all of this? If it was just a few weeks ago, then maybe not so much. A few years is plenty of time to retell the story over and over.

Now, the probability of every single one of them being a figment of our imagination is quite low, so, yeah.

It's actually extremely high, considering not a one of the things you've mentioned as happening has ever been recorded or testable.

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 12:02pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,591 posts

Yet, we have all these "ghost hunter" reality shows nowadays where people go and investigate stories like this? How do they always end? "We didn't find a ghost this time, but I'm sure we will next time!"

Without knowing much, let me ask a few questions...

When my sister was walking down the stairs, she was pushed even though there wasn't anyone behind her, now, maybe she fell, I don't know. I wasn't there when that happened.

My sister also used to see a little girl when she was walking up the stairs and the little girl would be sitting there, twirling her hair in her finger.

First off, without anyone seeing anything, this isn't much of a claim. Secondly, how many times has your sister told this story? Things have a way of changing when they're retold. Also, how long ago was this?

I had also saw it, and so did my mother and we each described the same girl committing the same action in the same place.

Again, how long ago was all of this? When did you first start telling stories? Did everyone tell each other separately or at once, and just agree they had seen the same thing?

The likeliness of all of us imagining the exact same thing is rather odd.

The likelihood of everyone retelling events and making them ever more fanciful is rather high though, especially since people have a tendency to just agree with one another. Eye witness testimonies are not reliable by any means and you could easily have just fed off each other's stories and combined them over time.

Again though, how long ago was all of this? If it was just a few weeks ago, then maybe not so much. A few years is plenty of time to retell the story over and over.

Now, the probability of every single one of them being a figment of our imagination is quite low, so, yeah.

It's actually extremely high, considering not a one of the things you've mentioned as happening has ever been recorded or testable.

(Reposting this since it apparently didn't go through...if there's two of these then please ignore one...)

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 12:37pm

GhostOfHorror

GhostOfHorror

801 posts

how many times has your sister told this story?

Not much, not in recent years anyway.
She's never told anyone outside of our family.

how long ago was this?

It happened about 4 years ago, we discussed it 2 years ago or so.

When did you first start telling stories?

I've never told anyone, the only time I've discussed it was about 2 years ago.

Did everyone tell each other separately or at once, and just agree they had seen the same thing?

My sister had asked my mother about 2ish years ago, "Did you ever see that girl in the old house?" and my mother then said yes, and described her.
I wasn't present for that conversation but when I came in from school they asked me if I had ever seen the girl and I described her.
Basically; we had all seen the same features/looks/actions.

you could easily have just fed off each other's stories and combined them over time.

Yes, that is true but that didn't happen.

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 1:49pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

thats a rather vague story ghost.
ever went back to the house and see if the new owners have seen it.

maybe it was just a story of grany or school when you 2 were younger that played whit your mind later and your mom just plays along.

what about your father, he never seen it?

hard to debunk over the i-net whit this amount of information to go on whit.
but i'm not buying it. maybe you just made up the story.

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 1:53pm

blk2860

blk2860

4,417 posts

Yet, we have all these "ghost hunter" reality shows nowadays where people go and investigate stories like this? How do they always end? "We didn't find a ghost this time, but I'm sure we will next time!"

I don't watch that... And besides they fake it to get money. I see no reason I would fake it.

1. I'm not making a profit out of this
2. This isn't on tv.
3. I'm not a diehard fanatic.

I see no reason I would fake it.

I am also not one of those people who hear voices. I am not going to force my opinions on you. You have a right to your own. I am also not a liar. Now I have been haunted before. I have seen a ghost more than once. Some may have been malicious. Sometimes I deny to myself what I have seen. Quite often I see things that are figments of my imagination. At a very old house I have heard the moving of silverware in the middle of the night and the clinking of glasses when I know no one is awake. I have seen things that have been moved when I put them in a specific location. I have seen many other things that scared me. I remember when I was very young. Maybe 5 or 6. I saw a ghost in my room. I ran down to get my mom. when I was back no one was there. I see not reason that my brain or imagination would torment me.

 

Posted Nov 21, '12 at 2:13pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,691 posts

Knight

I had a situation where I watched a lamp move across a rigged surface very swiftly (I was not watching the lamp waiting for something to happen...I just happened to be looking in the direction at the time)...it wasn't a surface where the lamp could just easily slide across..you'd have to put a lil effort into sliding it on that surface...would this situation still fit under these? The lamp didn't lift up...and I doubt a small, unnoticeable tremor could have made it move across that surface

Wanted to say more on this but I was on my way to sleep.

I only listed a couple of possibilities, there are many more I didn't mention. For instance I was just reading about this girl who each day would find her furniture turned over and piled in the middle of the room. After some investigating she found strong wind currents coming from the fireplace was the cause. After putting up a screen on the fireplace the activity stopped.

Now in your case I can't say for sure what the cause is since I simply don't have enough information to work with. It's quite possible there was another explanation that completely eluded you.

My sister also used to see a little girl when she was walking up the stairs and the little girl would be sitting there, twirling her hair in her finger.
Now, she could've imagined that, yeah but none of us know she was seeing it, she never told us until after we moved.
I had also saw it, and so did my mother and we each described the same girl committing the same action in the same place.
The likeliness of all of us imagining the exact same thing is rather odd..

Well a visual hallucination that appears to be the same could be the result of infrasound. It's also possible this is a case of false memory. It's possible each of you saw a different visual distortion but created a false memory of seeing the little girl after being told about it. You wouldn't even need to have seen anything for that to happen as well.
The Power of Suggestion: How to Implant False Memories

The problem with every ghost story, people like to jump to the supernatural explanation before considering and eliminating any possible natural explanation.

 
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