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Posted Nov 29, '12 at 9:54am

BurnKush420

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yes they can believe in them because it just means that the ghosts arent in heaven or hell with a god or a satan, i think it would be logical to believe in ghosts if youre an atheist

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 12:32pm

Kasic

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i think it would be logical to believe in ghosts if youre an atheist

Not at all. It's contradicting in reasoning on why someone would not believe in a god, but would believe in ghosts. Not to say an atheist can't...but, they're being hypocritical on a likely number of reasons as to why they believe in one and not the other.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 12:36pm

nichodemus

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Not at all. It's contradicting in reasoning on why someone would not believe in a god, but would believe in ghosts. Not to say an atheist can't...but, they're being hypocritical on a likely number of reasons as to why they believe in one and not the other.

No it isn't. Lots of people can reasonably and have reasonably believed the ''evidence'' they capture, such as film, photo and recordings are evident of ''spirits'' or whatever they are.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 12:52pm

Kasic

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Lots of people can reasonably and have reasonably believed the ''evidence'' they capture

Evidence which is just as non-replicable and up to interpretation as belief in ancient books.

Let's go over some of the commonly mentioned points for people believing in ghosts.

1) A "presence" can sometimes be felt.
2) Concept of a soul or some nonphysical part of someone continuing after death.
3) Supernatural/weird acts.
4) Seeing someone who isn't there or who died.
5) Hearing voices.

Out of these 5, which are common to religion (specifically those with a god?)

All of them. The presence of said god, the idea of an afterlife, actions taken by said god, hallucinations/dead prophets (saints) and being spoken to...

There is still no evidence for them that is any better than what religion can provide for a god. Personal testimonies, "miracles" or sheer coincidence, rituals such as prayer or sacrifice...are all just as unsubstantiated as blurry photos, sensing of presences, personal stories of things moving or happening, hallucinations...etc.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 1:00pm

nichodemus

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1) A "presence" can sometimes be felt.
2) Concept of a soul or some nonphysical part of someone continuing after death.
3) Supernatural/weird acts.
4) Seeing someone who isn't there or who died.
5) Hearing voices.

Out of these 5, which are common to religion (specifically those with a god?)

All of them. The presence of said god, the idea of an afterlife, actions taken by said god, hallucinations/dead prophets (saints) and being spoken to...

This is but one angle on ''ghosts'' or whatever they are. Lots of people believe in them, but not in God, and they don't link God into the process. They believe for all sorts of reasons, that they are either emotional remnants (stone taps and such), electrical forces, and the like. There doesn't need to be a God or any higher power in the equation.

All of them. The presence of said god, the idea of an afterlife, actions taken by said god, hallucinations/dead prophets (saints) and being spoken to...

There is still no evidence for them that is any better than what religion can provide for a god. Personal testimonies, "miracles" or sheer coincidence, rituals such as prayer or sacrifice...are all just as unsubstantiated as blurry photos, sensing of presences, personal stories of things moving or happening, hallucinations...etc.

Those 5 as stated, are a pretty narrow range of the beliefs and theories on ghosts.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 1:29pm

Kasic

Kasic

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There doesn't need to be a God or any higher power in the equation.

I know there doesn't need to be. I was pointing out how the reasoning people use for existence of a god is almost exactly the same as the most common arguments for the existence of ghosts.

Those 5 as stated, are a pretty narrow range of the beliefs and theories on ghosts.

Really? Because one or more of those 5 account for nearly every person I've heard who believed in ghosts.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 2:07pm

partydevil

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Lots of people believe in them, but not in God, and they don't link God into the process.

but they all link a afterlife to ghosts right?
and a afterlife is a creation of religion right?
...

They believe for all sorts of reasons, that they are either emotional remnants (stone taps and such), electrical forces, and the like.

those are evidence of there being no ghosts.
emotional remnant or any other mental disorder is for that person only not being real for the rest.
electrical forces... well said enough. electrical.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 8:06pm

nichodemus

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but they all link a afterlife to ghosts right?
and a afterlife is a creation of religion right?

Errr....no? I know serious people who believe in ghosts but not an afterlife. As mentioned, ''ghosts'' to those people are not souls.

those are evidence of there being no ghosts.
emotional remnant or any other mental disorder is for that person only not being real for the rest.
electrical forces... well said enough. electrical.

Read above.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 8:36pm

MageGrayWolf

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No it isn't. Lots of people can reasonably and have reasonably believed the ''evidence'' they capture, such as film, photo and recordings are evident of ''spirits'' or whatever they are.

often such evidence is poorly examined and the result of confirmation bias. This would not support a well reasoned position.

emotional remnant or any other mental disorder is for that person only not being real for the rest.

Emotional remnants isn't referring to a psychological disorder but the belief that emotions can be left behind in places. A bit like how bad gas leaves behind a lingering odor. This is also known as psychic impressions.

"How Not to be a Paranormal Investigator" - TAM 2012

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 8:45pm

nichodemus

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often such evidence is poorly examined and the result of confirmation bias. This would not support a well reasoned position.

Often. But doesn't science teach us to be open minded? The majority of cases are easily explained, but many still perplex.

 
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