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Posted Nov 29, '12 at 9:44pm

Kasic

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Often. But doesn't science teach us to be open minded?

Here's where religious/supernatural nuts like to attack science from. Science is open-minded, but it's also not just going to accept any random crap someone says without something to back it up either.

When someone claims to have seen a ghost, but has no picture (or said picture is blurry and can be anything) then there isn't much reason to believe them.

Then you have to look at how many people report these sorts of things and if they can be replicated.

If ghosts were real, don't you think they would have found some solid evidence for them by now? Claims of haunted houses can be investigated and they are, but what shows up? Nothing, or some other explanation for what someone thought was the ghost.

but many still perplex.

The only real perplexing thing is that there's no immediate answer to explain it since it can't be repeated and there were only a few witnesses. Or sheer coincidence which gain a lot of attention.

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 9:55pm

nichodemus

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Knight

When someone claims to have seen a ghost, but has no picture (or said picture is blurry and can be anything) then there isn't much reason to believe them.

Then you have to look at how many people report these sorts of things and if they can be replicated.

but it's also not just going to accept any random crap someone says without something to back it up either.

The Enfield poltergeist, and the like. I have had personal experiences with the unexplained, so that explains my stronger belief in them. Too many coincidences to be down to mere chance.

If ghosts were real, don't you think they would have found some solid evidence for them by now? Claims of haunted houses can be investigated and they are, but what shows up? Nothing, or some other explanation for what someone thought was the ghost.

And yet often no explanation is found. Brown Lady for example. I'm not saying that the ''afterlife'' exists, but other theories about ''spirits'' that permeate.

The only real perplexing thing is that there's no immediate answer to explain it since it can't be repeated and there were only a few witnesses.

Isn't that the real mystery and not the afterlife?

 

Posted Nov 29, '12 at 11:58pm

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

Often. But doesn't science teach us to be open minded?

Yes, that's why such claims should be investigated.

but many still perplex.

Not that many really.

And yet often no explanation is found. Brown Lady for example. I'm not saying that the ''afterlife'' exists, but other theories about ''spirits'' that permeate.

I'm surprised they don't have the criticism section on that one on wiki.

"Skeptics, however, argue that the picture is a fake. The photo analyst Joe Nickell examined the photograph and concluded that it was nothing more than two images composited together."
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/raynham.html]http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/raynham.html]http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/raynham.html

"Alan Murdie - a barrister and also a researcher into the supernnatural - found the evidence in a dusty folder in the manuscripts department of Cambridge University library. The file details an exhaustive investigation into the phenomenon shortly after the image was taken. Conducted by the Society for Psychical Research, it concludes that there is almost certainly a mundane explanation for the "spectral" image in the photo. The evidence includes the discovery that the camera may have leaked light on to the photographic plate."
-source no longer available but here is another article from Alan Murdie.
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/ar … _hall.html

 

Posted Nov 30, '12 at 12:00am

nichodemus

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Knight

I'm surprised they don't have the criticism section on that one on wiki.

Actually there was criticism of it on the Wiki page.

 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 8:28am

partydevil

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Often. But doesn't science teach us to be open minded?

i think this is a example of
"if you open your mind to much, your brains will fall out"

 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 8:35am

partydevil

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and if it are not souls then what is it? electricity?
then i believe in ghosts aswell. because ghosts power my tv and pc etc. etc.

and why are there never ghosts of animals (except a dog or cat some1 used to love) why no dinosaur ghosts or lions, giant ghost fish. if ghosts are real why dont we see/feel/smell them all the time? =S

 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 8:39am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

and if it are not souls then what is it? electricity?
then i believe in ghosts aswell. because ghosts power my tv and pc etc. etc.

Leftover emotions, EMP signals, all sorts of theories abound, rather than just the ''soul''.

and why are there never ghosts of animals (except a dog or cat some1 used to love) why no dinosaur ghosts or lions, giant ghost fish. if ghosts are real why dont we see/feel/smell them all the time? =S

This I do not claim to know. There have been ghost animals all the time though. Perhaps it's because humans have emotions. Perhaps it's because we're biologically different. I have seen enough to convince me that there is something out there at any rate.

 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 9:27am

partydevil

partydevil

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Leftover emotions, EMP signals, all sorts of theories abound, rather than just the ''soul''.

sorry this still sounds crazy. just believing in souls makes more sense then this for me.

 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 9:36am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

sorry this still sounds crazy. just believing in souls makes more sense then this for me.

Yet you dismiss that as crazy. There's no satisfying some people.

It sounded crazy when someone said we revolved around the Sun. There's no definite conclusion to the ''supernatural''. I'm just waiting for the pieces to fall together.

 

Posted Dec 1, '12 at 9:47am

partydevil

partydevil

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yet you dismiss that as crazy. There's no satisfying some people

maybe because i entirely fail to see the connections between ghosts and the things you say whitout any further explaining on how it connects.

EMP pulse? that is a emp pulse not ghosts.
leftover emotions? emotions? emotions are gone when we are dead. ever saw a dead body smile and wink? =S
or the emotions are flying around in open air.
how do you connect emotions whit ghosts? =S

like i said the souls idea makes the most sense if i had to believe in ghosts.

 
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