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Better to rule with love or fear?

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 10:14pm

Cambyses

Cambyses

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It is true, however, that the stronger rulers and princes in history have generally been those who were feared for their military prowess. Quite frankly, the easiest way to getting others to respect you is by having them fear you and being the toughest on the block.

But a benevolent ruler, like Liu Bei, often garner the trust and respect of others, allies and enemies alike, better because they have those valuable qualities of every human being. A ruler who shows love to the people gives them a reason to be with them.
Ruling with love is not just showering the public with gifts.

 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 10:36pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

But a benevolent ruler, like Liu Bei, often garner the trust and respect of others

they were often easyer to kill or atleast be beaten.

how many times was liu bei beaten and needed to start over again?
atleast 3 times from what i recall. every time he settled and had people around him. he was beaten again and driven off the country.

 

Posted Nov 22, '12 at 11:53pm

JuiceyBox

JuiceyBox

119 posts

By now, you should all know what it's like to be feared and loved, since you all became famous princes and princesses and stuff.

I prefer to be loved, but that's just a personal preference. I don't want to be feared.

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 12:01am

shock457

shock457

470 posts

Ah, a famous saying by Niccolo Machiavelli

Whether or not a prince should be loved or feared

If the prince would be feared, he would be hated. You would not like to be hated.
If a prince was to be loved, the people will not take the prince seriously. That will lead to the destruction of his kingdom.

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 12:05am

AatosLiukkonen

AatosLiukkonen

67 posts

Which is better, loved by many of feared by all?

Honestly, in terms of power, feared by all. Love is fleeting, and not all will love you, but fear? That's a different matter all together...

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 12:15am

JuiceyBox

JuiceyBox

119 posts

Ah, a famous saying by Niccolo Machiavelli

Whether or not a prince should be loved or feared

If the prince would be feared, he would be hated. You would not like to be hated.
If a prince was to be loved, the people will not take the prince seriously. That will lead to the destruction of his kingdom.

Actually a very good point there.

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 12:31am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,704 posts

how many times was liu bei beaten and needed to start over again?
atleast 3 times from what i recall

This was not due to him being a loved/weak ruler...but because during those times he didn't have much resources. He started with almost literally nothing.
Also, each time he was defeated he was able to find a new place of refuge...why? Because he was beloved and respected.

they were often easyer to kill or atleast be beaten.

Not necessarily true, especially for the time period of the Three Kingdom era we are all focusing on

Once Liu Bei was able to establish himself in Shu, he became nearly unbeatable for some time. The Sun family also kept their strong positioning and they were loved by their people

Then we have Dong Zhou, who was very much hated and taken down very swiftly.  Lu Bu was hated and had many enemies. Yuan Shu

But some rulers that were easily defeated didn't have that result because of their kindness...but because they just weren't sufficient rulers. Liu Shan was a kind ruler, he also was an inept one. It was due to him being inept that caused Shu Han to fall, not his kindness.
At the same time, Lu Bu was a ruler who ruled with fear, but he was also a very arrogant and aggressive ruler. It was due to his arrogance and aggression that caused him to be defeated so easily

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 3:23am

Kasic

Kasic

5,590 posts

It's best to rule with love, but not be timid.

You're doing something wrong if the people are scared. Just because people aren't cowed into following doesn't mean there is no security.

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 6:19am

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

Also, each time he was defeated he was able to find a new place of refuge...why? Because he was beloved and respected.

he could just as easly be slain at one of his defeats. but instead he fleet the battle.
a mad man would also find refuge if he was spared in battle or if he fleet.

Once Liu Bei was able to establish himself in Shu, he became nearly unbeatable for some time.

but he wasn't the ruler.
a good captain doesn't make it a good leader.

Then we have Dong Zhou, who was very much hated and taken down very swiftly.

wasn't dong zhou self proclaimed king for over 20 year befor the 3 kingdoms era?

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 6:35am

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

but he wasn't the ruler.
a good captain doesn't make it a good leader.

my bad i mixed up the armys.

but still his shu was defeated multiple times.

 
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