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Posted Nov 23, '12 at 4:59pm

EmperorPalpatine

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Just one moment where someone was punished for wasting his seed.

That action itself wasn't the grounds for punishment, but the reason behind it. He refused to continue his brother's lineage after he died or something.

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 5:25pm

killersup10

killersup10

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Kinda surprised that a mod hasn't came and said that this thread in inappropriate because of the word porn, because some little kid could read it when they click on the community button... anyway, being a atheist, Killersup doesn't believe in a hell. So wank away...

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 5:47pm

MageGrayWolf

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genesis 38:8-10 (KJV)
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.

But let's get full context here.

Genesis 38 (KJV)
1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.

2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.

3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.

4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan.

5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him.

6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.

7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.

8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.

11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.

12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite.

13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep.

14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.

15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.

16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?

17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it?

18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him.

19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood.

20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not.

21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place.

22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place.

23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.

24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by *****dom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.

25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.

26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.

27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.

28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.

29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.

30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.

This story to me seems more about backwards medieval customs with God thrown in as some petty executioner to play up a fear angle in order to get people to conform to said backwards medieval customs.
Again we see a women being treated as little more than property.

As for the interpretation of "spilling seed" this could go any number of ways. It could mean he pulled out. It could mean he masturbating to completion. The problem could have been that he didn't do what his father told him to do. (And really being told to knock up your brother's wife just so they could say the kid is your brother's seems rather messed up.) It could be "spilling seed" in general or wasting it in any way.
So why subjectively select one interpretation over the others?

Also who the hell names their kid Er?

 

Posted Nov 23, '12 at 7:43pm

SSTG

SSTG

10,767 posts

Knight

What about people who sell their seed? Do they also go to hell? xD
It's already bad that one day they'll see many kids looking like them in the street.

 

Posted Nov 24, '12 at 4:13am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

8,241 posts

Was talking to a guy at my work about religious stuff...one of the topics was about a book of a man's alleged experience of "visiting" heaven while in a coma or something (Proof of Heaven...if anyone wants to read it or check it out)

Apparently..from my limited understanding based merely on what I have heard of about the book...the man explains that to get into heaven you must be a good person and not be against god. (The man was an athiest and was still allowed in)...so, if (oh such a huge emphasis on if) what this man says happens to be true...then viewing porn isn't a ticket to hell

 

Posted Nov 24, '12 at 5:28am

StDrake

StDrake

190 posts

to get into heaven you must be a good person and not be against god

That in general should answer most questions really. Add to it that most atheists can be noticed not to be against God himself, but rather against all the bad things made supposedly "in the name of God", especially by priesthood. By misunderstanding the idea of a deity gets to be a beating dummy thanks to blasphemers. I for one thing can't actually imagine how to be a good person and be really against God. It kindof mixes up since we get the basic idea of good and bad from the heritage of religion if not religion itself.

Thus - viewing porn isn't a ticket to hell as long as it doesn't cause you to harm others. Of course priests will probably come up with the assumption that it always does - treating women as items and so on.

 

Posted Nov 24, '12 at 7:20am

Ancuta

Ancuta

128 posts

If you are religious you might take that into consideration.
- But seriously, do you relay care about you life after death ?
I mean enjoy your life now, and fret when you are dead.

 

Posted Nov 24, '12 at 8:42am

pickpocket

pickpocket

3,330 posts

I doubt it. And by that I don't mean all this "if there was a god" talk. Wrong for for that.
But why? Well, everyone sins. God doesn't send everyone to hell. And it's not one of the 10 commandments to stop fap fap fapping.

 

Posted Nov 24, '12 at 8:44am

pickpocket

pickpocket

3,330 posts

*wrong thread for that.
I just woke up, gimmie a break

 

Posted Nov 24, '12 at 8:54am

nichodemus

nichodemus

11,854 posts

Knight

If so, then I'm in really deep ****.

It just raises the point that whoever wrote these religious texts had a serious love hate relationship with sexuality. The raising of sex as a loathed taboo and sin throughout those choppy lines whilst clergymen get caught red handed in all sorts of sexual shenanigans throughout history and now seems only to be the work of a clutch of perverse, twisted self-hate psychopathic virgins.

 
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