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Mall shooting in Oregon

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 1:26am

theEPICgameKING

theEPICgameKING

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Power does not corrupt people; People corrupt power. Yes, guns are tools. However, they're WAAAAY overpowered. Guns allow for quick and violent murder as well as hunting. With this much raw potential, people must be responsible with guns. Just like cars and other high technology: Cars require licenses because they're very tough to handle. weaker tools like axes and saws always have a safety label on them. Etc, etc.
Bottom line, people who can't handle the responsibility of a gun by abusing it's purpose should not be allowed to have one.

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 1:32am

SSTG

SSTG

10,985 posts

Knight

companies who have millions of dollars manufacture and distribute the firearms with no intent on them for being used to kill people

Oops you're right,, guns are built for gardening, not to kill people. ;)

The real answer as to "where did it all start" would be in China over 10 centuries ago.

I'm not talking about how guns were created, I'm talking about the US culture of violence and the narrow minded rednecks who worship guns. They will try everything to justify owning guns. If rich ******** weren't making deadly weapons then nobody would shoot innocent people.

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 1:41am

partydevil

partydevil

5,097 posts

if you want to keep shooting each other then be my guest.
it's not that i like the place anyway.
just want to say that a country were not everyone has a gun and act to be a hero. is usually safer then the hole you guys live in.
and if by your logic it is safer when everyone has a gun. then how come there is never the news that 1 of those guys got shot down befor or during they go rampage? always suicide or police bullets.

and shooting at robbers is just crazy.... tell your hero story, but in my books your crazy.

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 2:21am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,977 posts

Remember the rich redneck ******* who built a gun factory?

You realize that guns can be made in other countries or obtained from other countries, right? (AK-47/74, Benelli, Accuracy International, H&K, Sako, Steyr, Walther, SIG Sauer, etc)

then how come there is never the news that 1 of those guys got shot down befor or during they go rampage?

It's not never.

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 2:22am

Kasic

Kasic

5,572 posts

Oops you're right,, guns are built for gardening, not to kill people. ;)

I don't see you complaining about every other type of weapon in the world, from swords to tanks and everything in-between.

I'm talking about the US culture of violence and the narrow minded rednecks who worship guns.

I'll ask again, please stop with the blatant stereotyping.

If rich ******** weren't making deadly weapons then nobody would shoot innocent people.

Grow up, seriously. Everything wrong with the world isn't because of some snooty rich person.

then how come there is never the news that 1 of those guys got shot down befor or during they go rampage?

There ARE. You and your confirmation bias simply get hung up on the events you're looking for. Those types of events also don't gain such media coverage. 10+ dead in a random shooting is a lot bigger of a story than one random person stopping what would have been a big event.

and if by your logic it is safer when everyone has a gun.

Here's where the anti-firearm side breaks down.

PEOPLE HAVE GUNS. Whether or not they are legal DOES NOT STOP PEOPLE FROM HAVING THEM. Yes, you can regulate them. Yes, you can reduce the amount of them out there. Does that stop them from existing? No. does that stop people from acts of violence? No.

I agree with you that in a perfect world, no guns would be better. WE DO NOT LIVE IN THAT WORLD.

and shooting at robbers is just crazy.... tell your hero story, but in my books your crazy.

Would you rather they just let them keep shooting at random people? You sure as hell aren't going to have a good chance of tackling someone with an illegal assault rifle as you would of shooting them from a distance.

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 2:45am

handlerfan

handlerfan

192 posts

We have gun laws in England and we still have mentally ill poeple going on shooting sprees.

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 2:46am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,977 posts

Instead of blaming the criminals, you're blaming the tool makers.

It could be worse; he could be blaming the patrons:
"If everyone shopped online at home, this never would've happened."

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 10:31am

SSTG

SSTG

10,985 posts

Knight

I guess I'll never understand you gun lovers. Smart people like to play with words and idiots like to play with gun.

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 12:17pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,097 posts

I'll ask again, please stop with the blatant stereotyping.

the usa culture is 1 full whit violence and close minded thinking.
add to that the arrogantsy and nationalism and this is the outcome.

you call it stereotypes, i call it reallity for 50% of the americans.

10+ dead in a random shooting is a lot bigger of a story than one random person stopping what would have been a big event.

still it should be on the little news page of the paper. i always check those and i can't remember when i saw something like that last.

PEOPLE HAVE GUNS. Whether or not they are legal DOES NOT STOP PEOPLE FROM HAVING THEM.

if guns are illegal then it's easyer. EVERYONE WHIT A GUN IS A CRIMINAL if you see a gun you know the guy isn't good and you can instandly warn the police that he has a gun. and they can instantly arrest him. there is never confusion if it's a criminal or not

and if random people do not have guns then the small criminals wont need a gun either. because they know that the people they attack wont shoot back. so the outcome is allot less shooting accidents and blind bullets.
sure a knife can kill aswell. but you can defend yourself against a knife and you wont die as fast as whit a gun.

Does that stop them from existing? No. does that stop people from acts of violence? No.

neither when everyone has a gun.
only if there are loads of guns around the probability that it will happen is much bigger.

Would you rather they just let them keep shooting at random people?

robbers dont shoot random people.
well maybe they do in the usa because they know that the person they are robbing might shoot them. so it's safer to just instantly shoot them instead of waiting and see if the victim is going to shoot at all.

You sure as hell aren't going to have a good chance of tackling someone with an illegal assault rifle as you would of shooting them from a distance.

why do you need to be the hero at all?
let them run away whit your stuff and go to the police.
better let them have some stuff and walk away unharmed then trying to be the hero. start shooting and end up whit dead people or hospitalized.

We have gun laws in England and we still have mentally ill poeple going on shooting sprees.

since uk has gun laws, the shooting incidents have lowered by over 70%
knife attacks on the other had have tripled.
but knife attacks are less fast deadly and people can defend themself against it. (also are the surgery costs allot lower)

I guess I'll never understand you gun lovers. Smart people like to play with words and idiots like to play with gun.

+1

 

Posted Dec 13, '12 at 1:27pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

4,977 posts

and you can instandly warn the police that he has a gun. and they can instantly arrest him.

"When seconds matter, police are just minutes away." My mom was cleaning a friend's house while they were out of town and accidentally tripped their home security system. She explained the situation to the response caller, who said they'd be sendng an officer like it was an emergency, as was their procedure. He checked her ID and stuff, then left. But it took him over 20 minutes to get there. How is that 'instantly'?

and if random people do not have guns then the small criminals wont need a gun either. because they know that the people they attack wont shoot back.

Why would a criminal take the risk of getting stabbed, bludgeoned, or pinned by the victim when they could threaten from a distance?

robbers dont shoot random people.

I think he was referring to the crazy people who do shoot random people, such as titular incident.

let them run away whit your stuff and go to the police.

What of the ones who shoot indiscriminately, not stealing?
What of the ones who don't just want your stuff?

better let them have some stuff and walk away unharmed then trying to be the hero.

What about when they want to walk away with your friends or family members as hostages, intending them harm?

 
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