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Posted Dec 16, '12 at 4:03pm

DSM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-w … 17534.html

Pashtun/pathan is a ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Do you think creating Pashtunistan will defeat Taliban and create stability to the region?

 

Posted Dec 17, '12 at 5:50pm

thepunisher93

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Pashtun/pathan is a ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Do you think creating Pashtunistan will defeat Taliban and create stability to the region?

Do you?
and based on what?

 

Posted Dec 17, '12 at 10:42pm

nichodemus

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Knight

No. The Pashtuns have traditionally dominated Afghan politics, why would they want to give that up? Plus, the war isn't about independence, it's about kicking the Americans out, and imposing a non-secular government.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 1:36am

thepunisher93

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To be honest, USA is trying to save face desperately

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 1:49am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

Ha, more than desperately. It's been how many years already? More than a decade. And then they miraculously decide it's because they wanted a separate state? If so, why then did the Pashtuns not declare independence when the Pashtun dominated Taliban controlled Kabul?

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 1:57am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

Try suggesting that either side give up a little land. You'll get a warmer reception trying to teach Hamas Torah.

Did you read the article? It's not about Palestine.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 2:12am

thepunisher93

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More over, tribal areas are more of like in an alliance with pakistan rather than a part of it(although technicaly they are part of it) with their different rules etc.
This aliance was formed by loya jarga who signed an agreement with muhammad ali jannah

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 8:57am

DSM

DSM

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Do you?
and based on what?

yes, based the fact it would be easier to remove the talibans by nationalism.

No. The Pashtuns have traditionally dominated Afghan politics, why would they want to give that up?

they have, but no longer. currently most of the afghan government is dominated by other ethnic groups.

why then did the Pashtuns not declare independence when the Pashtun dominated Taliban controlled Kabul?

because it is forbidden in Islam to be nationalist and the talibans was very extreme when it came to religion. pakistan had no military presence in pashtun areas back then, and didnt restrict them from going freely around in those areas. this is which will change in time, since both Afghanistan is having a real government and Pakistan have increased its military presence in Pashtunkhwa.

To be honest, USA is trying to save face desperately

They may or may not, but the fact is, that the taliban will be easily defeated if Pashtunistan is created. right now USA is wasting money on Afghanistan and Pakistan, since the money doesn't get to Pashtun areas. Basically what they are doing now is indirectly fighting talibans. in the other hand, if they used the same amount money to build a government in Pashtunistan, then the effort and money would go to directly fighting taliban. In that case will the defeat of taliban be assured.

Right now, no matter how much USA will support Pakistan and Afghanistan, the Talibans will just come back, deadlier then ever.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 9:13am

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,177 posts

Knight

because it is forbidden in Islam to be nationalist and the talibans was very extreme when it came to religion. pakistan had no military presence in pashtun areas back then, and didnt restrict them from going freely around in those areas. this is which will change in time, since both Afghanistan is having a real government and Pakistan have increased its military presence in Pashtunkhwa.

It isn't forbidden. Early contemporary Islamic leaders made very much use of nationalism, such as Nasser. Since then, after the failure of such Pan Arabic, Islamic movements, nationalism has been viewed with utmost suspicion, leading in part to the rise of religious fundamentalism. That's why nationalism isn't bred strongly. On the other hand, Afghans do have a strong sense of nationalism, coming from years of invasions from various powers, Britain, the USSR, the US.

yes, based the fact it would be easier to remove the talibans by nationalism.

No it isn't. The aim of the Taliban differs, when you consider the Afghan and Pakistani branches of the group. A key distinguishing factors between the two Talibans is that the Afghans insist they have a strictly local agenda of liberating their homeland, many analysts say. Beyond that, they would prefer to be left alone.

In contrast, the Pakistani Taliban has embraced al Qaeda’s vision of pan-Islamic rule, and it has increasingly targeted the Pakistani state instead of helping its Afghan brethren, aiming to set up an Islamic Caliphate so to speak.

A Pakistani Taliban spokesman, Muslim Khan, has said that his organization aims to establish a strict fundamentalist Islamic system, not only in Pakistan, but also throughout the world starting from South Asia

but the fact is, that the taliban will be easily defeated if Pashtunistan is created.

No it isn't. The Taliban is a bizarre mix of both Pashtun tribal culture and strict Islam. Giving them a state will only allow them to consolidate power further, much like how the West fears what the insurgents will do in Mali now.

In any case, Pakistan will never ever give up territory unless by force.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 12:05pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

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They may or may not, but the fact is, that the taliban will be easily defeated if Pashtunistan is created. right now USA is wasting money on Afghanistan and Pakistan, since the money doesn't get to Pashtun areas. Basically what they are doing now is indirectly fighting talibans. in the other hand, if they used the same amount money to build a government in Pashtunistan, then the effort and money would go to directly fighting taliban. In that case will the defeat of taliban be assured.

I seriously fail to see logic behind this

 
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