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Discuss. General Tavern rules apply. (No mudslinging, be respectful, etc.)
I'll open with the statement that people should not have guns. No one at all, except the armed forces, and even then, keep the guns on the bases. Cops should carry riot shields and armor instead of guns. If they need crowd control, use Water Cannons.
Supporting evidence: the following skit:
What's your reason?
Setting: A gun shop, modern day.
A Customer walks into the gun shop and asks the Shopkeeper, "Hi, i'd like to buy a gun please."
The Shopkeeper pulls out an application form and asks the customer "Alright, what's your reason for wanting to buy a gun?"
The Customer says "I need one for personal protection."
The Shopkeeper nods. "I have just the thing for you, I guarantee you cannot get any more personal protection than this baby right here. What i'm about to show you offers so much protection, it can stop a shotgun shell."
The customer, very interested, stares at a full-size Riot Shield, the kind the police use. He scoffs. "That's not what I want, I want a gun!"
The Shopkeeper shrugs. "Are you sure? This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..." by now, the angry Customer has left.
Later, another Customer enters. "Hi, I need a gun."
Again, the Shopkeeper clicks his pen and pulls out an application form. "For what reason?" he asks.
The Customer hesitates, than says "Hunting."
The shopkeeper smiles. "Of course! I love to hunt. Hunting is a wonderful sport. I guarantee that this item will give you the maximum amount of satisfaction you can ever get from hunting! Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy.
The customer shakes his head. "No, I want a gun." he states.
The shopkeeper reluctantly puts away the Crossbow. "Are you sure? With a gun, it's so...boring, just pulling a trigger. And it's unfair to the animal, with this you give the deer a chance and have to chase it for up to an hour, just like the Native Americans did back in the day! Unless of course..." He fails to finish his sentence, as the pissed off customer has left in a huff.
Later, a third customer walks in. "Hi, I'd like to buy a gun." he says.
The shopkeeper holds his pen at the ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
The customer glares. "I dont need a reason, read the god **** second amendment "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot!
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet.
The customer shrieks. "No, man! I want a Glock, a shotgun, something better than that civil war crap!"
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "I'm sorry sir, please come back when they update the second amendment to include those types of guns. Here, i'll even give you a discount..." the shopkeeper holds out a discount to the enraged customer, who tears it in half and leaves.
Fourthly, another Customer walks in. "I really need a gun, now." He says.
The Shopkeeper holds his pen and application form ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
Instead of stating his reason this time, the Customer snatches the application form and looks at it. There, in the spot titled "Reasons" is a circle for "other".
"Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly.
The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer.
"Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows.
"Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"
Moral of the story: You do NOT need a gun for a particular activity. In any given activity (And I challenge you to give me a valid, legal activity for which you would need to personally own a gun), there are many other options. Why buy a gun for personal protection when a Riot Shield blocks shotgun shells? Why buy a gun for hunting when the point of hunting (and every other sport) is satisfaction, and since you get more satisfaction with more challenge, and since a crossbow offers more challenge than a gun, you'll get more satisfaction with the crossbow. Why buy a gun based on the Second Amendment when the Colonial-age guns were either giant cannons or black-powder, muzzle-loading Muskets? Did the Founding Fathers have AR-15's, and SPAZ-12 shotguns,And AK 47s, not to mention all the accessories like laser scopes and hollow-point bullets? I dont think so!
The only way you can disprove my argument is to give me a valid, LEGAL activity which requires you to personally own a gun. This excludes Skeet-shooting, because the facility can and should/will provide the gun. Until anyone can do that, YOU DONT NEED A GUN, NO ONE NEEDS GUNS! They're WAY too dangerous and make it too easy to kill someone! Why have something you dont need?
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one no fing way in reading all that but in one of the amendments it says every state is to have a controlled millita so if we made it to ware only the CONTROLED millita hade guns then thare you go
so if we made it to ware only the CONTROLED millita hade guns then thare you go
A militia is a collection of civilians. A controlled militia would be all civilians authorized by the government to carry a firearm and use it at their own discretion.
In other words, you're saying the people allowed to have guns should be made to be allowed to have guns. Not really helping anything.
Man I feel prescient...
Stephen Colbert said on his show tonight (roughly): "Well sure, my family is less safe with a gun in the house, but isn't that a small price to pay for my family's safety?"
He was referencing a study that showed households with guns are at greater risk of homicide. Which was the argument I made here last month.
one no fing way in reading all that but in one of the amendments it says every state is to have a controlled millita so if we made it to ware only the CONTROLED millita hade guns then thare you go
You'd be talking about the 2nd amendment of the constitution I'm assuming. And that has about as much relevance in today's society as the part of the bible that says its a man's right to beat his female slaves so long as said beating doesn't kill them within 3 days.
A controlled militia would be all civilians authorized by the government to carry a firearm and use it at their own discretion.
and here is the problem.
the government hand out authorization faster then santa hands out candy.
Guns are our last freedom. We're Americans. They have a gun license for a reason, isn't that enough?! The government wants to rid of them so if they pull something, we can't fight back. Guns are what make us free Americans! Are you just gonna let them destroy our amendments?!
They keep putting out fake stories on the news about shootings, just to scare us. Most of them are made up or framed. One supposedly happened on my street, but i didn't hear anything! It's so fake! The Illuminati wants full control. Don't give it to them!
The government wants to rid of them so if they pull something, we can't fight back.
You really think your 6-shooter, or even an AK, could so much as dent the most powerful military in the world?
No need to debate this anymore.
The gun loving retards as well as the criminals can now make their own gun so they can kill whatever and they want!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/08/3d-printed-guns-blueprints-downloaded-100000-times-in-two-days-with-some-help-from-kim-dotcom/
The retards responsible for this should be shot with their own ****ing gun!
The retards responsible for this should be shot with their own ****ing gun!
can now make their own gun
"Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturerâs license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms."
Here. They always could make their own.
And it's not like everyone has the printer:
"Itâs worth noting that only a fraction of those who download the printable gun file will ever try to actually create one. Defense Distributed used an $8,000 second-hand Stratasys Dimension SST to print their prototype, a 3D printer that the vast majority of its fans wonât have access to."
Organized criminals can afford it and won't follow the requirement to insert a piece of metal inside the gun to make it detectable.
Terrorists will love this gun.
I think those idiots who created it should be thrown in jail, seriously.
Organized criminals can afford it
Then they would've made it on their own sooner or later anyway. It's not like the plans were some super secret military thing.
Organized criminals can afford it
They can already afford 5.45x39 AK-74's, why would they use a gun that can fire exactly 1 .38 special (and can't fire +p's)?
and won't follow the requirement to insert a piece of metal inside the gun to make it detectable.
In which case, the gun is completely useless, as it wouldn't be firing anything.
Terrorists will love this gun.
Yes, terrorists will love a sh¡tty plastic piece of junk that can fire one round that will probably miss and wouldn't be terribly powerful anyways.
The gun loving retards as well as the criminals can now make their own gun so they can kill whatever and they want!
this gun is more a problem for africa and europe then it will be for the usa.
now in countries that have no guns people are still able to get 1 by printing one. while in countries that already have ****loads of guns. nothing changes because everyone already has a gun.
a 3D printer that the vast majority of its fans wonât have access to.yet.
give it 5 or max 10 year and 3d printers will be as common as LCD tv's
but law has a chance here to for once not stick behind rea;ity. but law can prohibit it befor the masses has it. (i'm obviously not talking about usa here, they love the concept to much. making it more dangerous in the rest of the world)
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