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Gun control in the US
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Posted Jan 30, '13 at 1:44am 194 posts |
One issue that people are aware of, it is just another small step towards more dismantling of the Bill of Rights. The problem with trying to compromise with these some of these legislators is that they have down right said, on record, that their goal is to disarm America. And it blows my mind that people either refuse to acknowledge that fact or that when presented with that truth they just shrug their shoulders and say nothing. Although, you can't simple educate people who refuse to acknowledge the facts that are put before them. The information is out there, but.....what I really think it is, most people are afraid. They see the "writing on the wall" and by shoving fingers in their ears and turning their back to the issues that it will somehow a. just get better. b. won't effect them. Sure background checks are great. Making sure a felon cannot purchase a weapon is a great tool to deter violence. But this issue that people don't want to hear over and over (although its true and valid) is that said felon can still obtain a weapon some way, some how. The best way to defend yourself, so you are not powerless against an aggressor, is to arm yourself one way or another. It again, blows my mind that people think laws are going to stop a criminal that is consciously making the decision to break the law. But therein lies the problem that people who study history and know that history repeats itself. It is these small measures that are obviously over stepping their bounds, are going to eventually lead to a breaking point. It is coming (that's the bad news) but it is coming slowly (that's the silver lining). The best I can say is open your minds and look past what you have been taught and seek knowledge yourself. Stop listening to that garbage CNN and FOX. Start listening/reading to some alternative news sources and you will begin to really see the poo-storm America is in for. Ask questions for yourself and don't carelessly throw out the answers that you may not like. In closing, the absolute greatest mistake anyone can make, is to believe that "it cannot happen to me." |
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Posted Jan 30, '13 at 2:18am 4,096 posts |
Such as...? There's not much unbiased stuff out there other than legal text that even the people signing it rarely read, NPR (mostly neutral, occasional slight lean either way depending on topic), and BBC (very slightly Dem/Lib at times). |
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Posted Jan 30, '13 at 3:22am 105 posts |
...said the people who buy guns for safety and protection despite the reality that guns in the home are more likely to shoot the residents (gun owner and family) or friends they know than an attacker/intruder/potential rapist/burglar/hamburglar/ninja/pirate/oscar the grouch/assassin/zombie. |
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Posted Jan 30, '13 at 2:36pm 194 posts |
EmperorPalpatine, Getoffmydangle, I was going to write something in response, but I've decided that you are not worth an argument. Just reading your response is a testament that you are the ignorant type. Also despite you mocked cannot happen to me. Only fools think that nothing bad will happen to them. They don't prepare themselves and they ridicule those that do and then when something bad does happen they expect those that were ready to come and give them aid. Here's a great example, look at all the "preppers" that people make fun of now. Hurricane Sandy hit 91 days ago and only now Congress has approved aid? Are you joking me? That's over 3 months. Those "preppers" are the ones laughing now, they have food and water and whatever supplies they need while the government wait for over 3 months to help the people. Sorry to burst your little bubble bro, but bad things happen all the time. Either you are prepared/independent or you sit and cry in the corner like a little girl waiting for someone else to take care of you. |
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Posted Jan 30, '13 at 5:28pm 5,155 posts |
Making policy to determine safe usage is not dismantling freedom or the bill of rights.
Either extreme is bad. Arguing that one side wants something one way doesn't take into account that the people who are that extreme are not the majority by any means.
Sure they can. That doesn't mean irresponsible gun owners still aren't a problem. More strict gun control means there's less guns out there for criminals to get a hold of, and still doesn't take away people's rights to own a weapon.
Small measures, you mean making sure idiots who can't safely handle a potentially lethal weapon aren't stockpiling them in their garage, where anyone can simply access them? You mean having more in-depth background checks, to make sure people who want to own guns aren't going to go on a rampage, even if it's a very small amount that actually do so? You mean making it so that weapons, which were made for war, are not so common it's extremely easy to get a hold of one?
Excess paranoia doesn't help either. Sure, it can happen to you. But it's not likely to, nor should you go around assuming that it will.
And only paranoid people think that something bad will definitely happen to them.
Preparation is different from expectation. Someone who owns a handgun and keeps it in their bedroom just in case someone breaks in while they're home is different from someone with 5 rifles, a shotgun, and does shooting practice twice a week for the day they have to defend themselves from a random maniac.
Yes, it is a great example of a red herring.
Said bad things aren't always solved by owning a gun.
Owning a gun is not necessarily being prepared for bad things in life, nor is it impossible to be prepared without owning a gun. |
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Posted Jan 31, '13 at 3:34am 105 posts |
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;) thats at least worth a smile You are absolutely correct though, in my haste and amusement to point out the irony in your statement (that you apparently still don't get), I forgot to cite my sources. Tisk tisk.
My hope is that if you read any of those articles, you might understand the "irony" of your argument-- ie buying a gun to make your family safe despite the statistical fact that the gun is more likely to do you/your family harm than good. And especially: buying a gun because "only fools think nothing bad will happen to them." The point is that buying that gun increases your likelihood of something bad happening (who would have thought that more guns around meant more guns being used? Weird right?). "Too much gun violence? Get more guns!!" I'm not opposed to gun ownership, just ignorance, irrationality, and poor reasoning. I think you may have mis-pegged me bud. Liking guns, and supporting gun ownership does not equal having to believe that more guns makes every situation better. --Attacking NPR? How sad. If you think drudge is a more reliable source of unbiased information than NPR I would be concerned about your critical thinking skills. Also, Government funding provides less than 5% of NPR's funding, none of which comes directly from the federal government, but instead is channeled through local member stations as payment for content....and that |
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Posted Jan 31, '13 at 3:44am 105 posts |
last post, last sentence cutoff supposed to read something like... "and that |
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Posted Jan 31, '13 at 4:21pm 670 posts |
There are a lot of gun owners that don't know how to use a gun, properly. Especially, the ones who go out and buy a gun for self defense purposes. They buy the gun put it wherever and never learn how to use it. There should be a mandatory training course before you get a gun. When I was a younger lad, to get my hunting license I needed to take a "Hunter's Safety Course". I think it was a 12 hr course split up over two days. There was a lot of firearm safety, though, only as it related to hunting. If your gonna have a gun you should know how to use it safely. There's a lot of people out there who don't know the first thing about guns. |
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Posted Feb 1, '13 at 8:20pm 105 posts |
There are a lot of people out there who are not very smart. That is a problem with many symptoms. If you think about it, just under half the population has below average intelligence. That is not a comforting fact. The other point you made about safety courses is really smart. But it would never happen without people clamoring about the government tyrants taking their guns (despite nobody every saying anything about taking anyone's guns away). |
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Posted Feb 1, '13 at 8:27pm 5,155 posts |
That minimum is still, imo, far too low. As evidenced by the tens of thousands of accidents every year.
Might I ask, what is the reason anyone opposes this? Guns are not toys. Anyone who thinks they should be able to walk down the street and buy a gun does not have the right mindset. They are potentially lethal weapons. They should not be laying around the house, in reach of anyone. They shouldn't be stored with the ammo, and they shouldn't be played around with. If you don't take care of it properly, it can even malfunction. If you want to own a gun, you should be educated on all that I mentioned and more. |



