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Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:19am

theEPICgameKING

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404011xz: Regarding the above table listing corrupted governments exterminating their minoritiy people. You fail to see that GUNS did not do this, it was the corrupted government that did that. If guns did not exist, then Hitler may have resorted to other weapons like poison gas. Guns are the tool of death. Still, people should be allowed to defend themselves! Of course, when you're facing the Wehrmacht and Gestapo, you can either defend yourself with a gun and probably die, or dont defend yourself and die. Here is the ONLY situation in where I would approve of guns, and that is to level the power field. OF COURSE, IF WE HAD NO GUNS IN THE FIRST PLACE THEN WE WOULDN'T NEED GUNS.
Switzerland: You should know that almost every Swiss has military training and knows full well how to use that gun. They know how powerful a gun is, and have the responsibility and common sense to know not to use it unless absolutely necessary. You make two statements that, while true, dont lead to one another. Switzerland does not have the lowest gun crime BECAUSE everyone has a gun, switzerland has the lowest gun crime rate BECAUSE everyone's smart and responsible enough to NOT use their gun, unless of course absolutely necessary.

My posistion as of now Guns are tools of crazy-high power compared to other weapons. With great power comes great responsibility. Therefore, only people with great responsibility (Those that absolutely WILL NOT under any circumstances either directly or indirectly cause gun-related crime) should be allowed to have guns. If you're a trigger-happy "patriot", I dont trust you with a gun.

 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:27am

404011xz

404011xz

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Wow, I can't believe how many people support gun control, but still. I repeat this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. You cannot blame the gun for the stupidity of the pearson weilding it. Throught the centuries people have found ways to kill each others, even without guns. You risk the chance of your very own government killing you. Guns aren't the best invention, sure they have their downsides, but they also have their upsides. They are the double edged sword. Same thing with cars, they give us fast transportation, but they also pollute our air and make many of us fat, I'm not one of them. Also the Nuclear Bomb, devastating weapon, but people respect mutual destruction and don't go to war with on another.

 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:30am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

Right after they implament these gun controls a few years later, sometimes that very year, Mass Murder is commited.


The Gun Act of 1938 in Germany applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition. Furthermore, it did not ban guns, but merely required people to get a permit.

It banned Jews from owning guns, but because the Nazi were racist pigs. The problem was the Nazi, NOT gun control.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977,


One fact slipped through. A really obvious one. In 1956, the nation was ruled by King Sihanouk. In 1975 to 1977, it was ruled by the Kampuchean government. Different government altogether, different set of rules.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


The USSR rightfully did so. Coming out of a decade of Civil War and war with Poland, having murderous bands of thugs roaming the country was a frightening danger.

Again, you ignore the fact that the GOVERNMENT itself implemented the Terror of the 1930s. The government, with it's vicious NKVD and gulags.

In 1911,Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


I'll like to see people resist the Armenian Genocide by turning their pathetic small arms against a Great Power. The Turkish government massacred the Armenians in war time, it was not preplanned from the start.

Let's also give an example of where gun control worked.

Oh wait, it's the rest of the civilised world!

Armed citizens because they aren't able to do as they please. And no, not one pearson can stop an army, but 20 million chinese? I'm pretty sure their army doesn't have that many,same with the soviet unnion. Can you hold off 20 million soldiers? You don't have a tank for every single soldier to stand behind, soon the military's body count goes up and it doesn't help them them any. And come on, look at the body count after they did all this. Millions died because they thought that the government was supposedly protecting them from themselves when they took away their only means of defence.


Is a civilian an armed soldier? Are all civilians fit men, or are children and women included? Are civilians armed with comparable weapons to military grade weapons? No.

Millions died because they thought that the government was supposedly protecting them from themselves when they took away their only means of defence.


The body count was already spectacularly high during 1916 to 1928 Warlord era. Did guns help them? Nope.
 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:35am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,232 posts

Knight

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. You cannot blame the gun for the stupidity of the pearson weilding it.


Guns make it exponentially easier to wipe out people. It's the same reason why we try to control nuclear arms, but continue producing conventional arms on a disgusting scale.

Throught the centuries people have found ways to kill each others, even without guns. You risk the chance of your very own government killing you.


Ha, government is bad, it's evil, it's horrific. Well, I'm here to tell you the rest of the world doesn't fear the government as you do. They hate it for it's inefficiencies, they hate it for its corruption, but no nation other than the US is so paranoid as to require a small arm just to feel safe.


Guns aren't the best invention, sure they have their downsides, but they also have their upsides. They are the double edged sword. Same thing with cars, they give us fast transportation, but they also pollute our air and make many of us fat, I'm not one of them.


Guns have constantly been proven to do more harm than good when owned on such a large scale. Continue enjoying the 70,000 odd people killed each year.

Also the Nuclear Bomb, devastating weapon, but people respect mutual destruction and don't go to war with on another.


I can give you a list of hundreds of wars that occurred after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Prevent war? Between conventional Great powers yes. Between the more guerrilla type enemies we have today? No.
 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:49am

404011xz

404011xz

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I don't hate the Government, I'm just dissapointed how it's being ran of late, And no small arms don't make me feel safe, they allow me to know if a robber comes inside I don't have to worry about how to defend myself, what I do is just ****, point, and pull. 70k? I found it said 30k? Considering that I'm more likely to get in a care crash than I am to get shot I think my odds are pretty nice. Maybe I'll leave set my house on fire by accident and add myself to that number. The point is that of all the ways to die gun shot isn't really up there.

 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:51am

wolf1991

wolf1991

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated


Oh good I can lecture you.

This event has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with gun control. This event has a great deal to do with Western imperialism of the late 19th Century, the Boxer Uprising, the rise of nationalism in China during the early 20th Century, the defeats suffered at the hands of Imperial Japan, enroachment by Russia, political factions, the removal of an imperial government and the successive failures of governments which rose to take its place. However, it has nothing to do with gun control. That act was put in place to avoid a civil uprising because of China precarious position in terms of a weak government. It was designed to protect everyone from civil wars brought about by the people, not the government falling into two militaristic factions.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.


Then I guess bombs, or any other weapon of war kills people either. Want to know why the gun was designed? To kill people more efficiently during times of war. Amazing it's as if guns are MEANT to kill.

You cannot blame the gun for the stupidity of the pearson weilding it.


Yes I can. A stupid person with a knife has far less potential to kill me.

You risk the chance of your very own government killing you.


You do not live in Soviet Russia. You do not live in a third world country run by a warlord. I am pretty sure you're an American. It's okay, Obama is not going to turn the military on you. Regulations by the government are necessary, there needs to be a balance. We're not saying ban guns completely, (at least I'm not) we're saying put regulations on them so that we can balance things out to lessen the likelihood of future tragedy.
 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:53am

wolf1991

wolf1991

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The point is that of all the ways to die gun shot isn't really up there.


All I can say is that I think you've seriously missed the point.
 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 12:54am

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

70k? I found it said 30k?


There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.

And no small arms don't make me feel safe, they allow me to know if a robber comes inside I don't have to worry about how to defend myself, what I do is just ****, point, and pull.


I wonder why I feel safe at night without any guns. Oh wait, it's because the robber almost certainly has no access to guns, and the national police are immensely capable.

Considering that I'm more likely to get in a care crash than I am to get shot I think my odds are pretty nice. Maybe I'll leave set my house on fire by accident and add myself to that number.


Not taking out a veritable source of harm and blood just because it does not cause as much harm as something else is an immensely moronic argument.
 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 1:01am

404011xz

404011xz

218 posts

I personally think you have all missed the points I have maid the last 2 days. But according to you I'm not allowed to get guns because a few idiots ruined it for me. It's ok though, continue to step on the bill of rights passed so many years ago to make sure the people come before the government. Go ahead, I don't want my freedoms, I want to end up like China and be totally dependant on the government to do all my thinking fo me. It's all fine, I hope you enjoy your laughs in your countries because this subject actually stikes me here at home. I hope you had a nice laugh. I'll stay out of this forum because all it manages to do is get my blood presure up. Have fun talking amongst yourselves. If you want me back for laughs message me on my profile. And no I'm not stopping because you think your wining, it's because when I get in a political mood I tend to go on stuff like this and waste a few hours of my life I'll never get back, could of probably spent this time trying to clean the garage or something. Anything other than trying to talk to this brick wall in front of me.

 

Posted Dec 19, '12 at 1:04am

nichodemus

nichodemus

13,232 posts

Knight

I personally think you have all missed the points I have maid the last 2 days.


I have answered to each and everyone of your points. Point out those you think I haven't and I will.

I want to end up like China and be totally dependant on the government to do all my thinking fo me.


Before you lambast China, read up some Chinese books. Like Martin Jacques. He explains perfectly, the Sino mindset, and how we constantly view them erroneously through our democracy loving freedom, Euroscentric glasses.
 
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