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theEPICgameKING
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Discuss. General Tavern rules apply. (No mudslinging, be respectful, etc.)
I'll open with the statement that people should not have guns. No one at all, except the armed forces, and even then, keep the guns on the bases. Cops should carry riot shields and armor instead of guns. If they need crowd control, use Water Cannons.
Supporting evidence: the following skit:
What's your reason?
Setting: A gun shop, modern day.
A Customer walks into the gun shop and asks the Shopkeeper, "Hi, i'd like to buy a gun please."
The Shopkeeper pulls out an application form and asks the customer "Alright, what's your reason for wanting to buy a gun?"
The Customer says "I need one for personal protection."
The Shopkeeper nods. "I have just the thing for you, I guarantee you cannot get any more personal protection than this baby right here. What i'm about to show you offers so much protection, it can stop a shotgun shell."
The customer, very interested, stares at a full-size Riot Shield, the kind the police use. He scoffs. "That's not what I want, I want a gun!"
The Shopkeeper shrugs. "Are you sure? This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..." by now, the angry Customer has left.
Later, another Customer enters. "Hi, I need a gun."
Again, the Shopkeeper clicks his pen and pulls out an application form. "For what reason?" he asks.
The Customer hesitates, than says "Hunting."
The shopkeeper smiles. "Of course! I love to hunt. Hunting is a wonderful sport. I guarantee that this item will give you the maximum amount of satisfaction you can ever get from hunting! Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy.
The customer shakes his head. "No, I want a gun." he states.
The shopkeeper reluctantly puts away the Crossbow. "Are you sure? With a gun, it's so...boring, just pulling a trigger. And it's unfair to the animal, with this you give the deer a chance and have to chase it for up to an hour, just like the Native Americans did back in the day! Unless of course..." He fails to finish his sentence, as the pissed off customer has left in a huff.
Later, a third customer walks in. "Hi, I'd like to buy a gun." he says.
The shopkeeper holds his pen at the ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
The customer glares. "I dont need a reason, read the god **** second amendment "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot!
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet.
The customer shrieks. "No, man! I want a Glock, a shotgun, something better than that civil war crap!"
The shopkeeper merely smiles. "I'm sorry sir, please come back when they update the second amendment to include those types of guns. Here, i'll even give you a discount..." the shopkeeper holds out a discount to the enraged customer, who tears it in half and leaves.
Fourthly, another Customer walks in. "I really need a gun, now." He says.
The Shopkeeper holds his pen and application form ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks.
Instead of stating his reason this time, the Customer snatches the application form and looks at it. There, in the spot titled "Reasons" is a circle for "other".
"Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly.
The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer.
"Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows.
"Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"

Moral of the story: You do NOT need a gun for a particular activity. In any given activity (And I challenge you to give me a valid, legal activity for which you would need to personally own a gun), there are many other options. Why buy a gun for personal protection when a Riot Shield blocks shotgun shells? Why buy a gun for hunting when the point of hunting (and every other sport) is satisfaction, and since you get more satisfaction with more challenge, and since a crossbow offers more challenge than a gun, you'll get more satisfaction with the crossbow. Why buy a gun based on the Second Amendment when the Colonial-age guns were either giant cannons or black-powder, muzzle-loading Muskets? Did the Founding Fathers have AR-15's, and SPAZ-12 shotguns,And AK 47s, not to mention all the accessories like laser scopes and hollow-point bullets? I dont think so!

The only way you can disprove my argument is to give me a valid, LEGAL activity which requires you to personally own a gun. This excludes Skeet-shooting, because the facility can and should/will provide the gun. Until anyone can do that, YOU DONT NEED A GUN, NO ONE NEEDS GUNS! They're WAY too dangerous and make it too easy to kill someone! Why have something you dont need?

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Masterforger
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He doesn't support a ban.

-_- I did not say he supported a ban. He supports the heavy restriction of guns, i.e. security guards and militant workers only.
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-_- I did not say he supported a ban. He supports the heavy restriction of guns, i.e. security guards and militant workers only.


Then you answered your own question, since people in his hypothetical world can still have access to guns.
Masterforger
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Then you answered your own question, since people in his hypothetical world can still have access to guns.

I think he meant that those who do not have access to guns, (hint: everyone who isn't a guard or the military) cannot buy body armor. But why is this?
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http://herenowthenews.com/nra-ceo-wayne-lapierre-calls-for-the-elimination-of-public-schools/

http://herenowthenews.com/nra-ceo-wayne-lapierre-offers-weapons-and-sensitivity-training-to-newtown-survivors/

I have a better one, let's give a gun to every kids in school so that if they see a bad guy, they can blow up his brain. Now all of you crabby janitors and school kitchen workers need to be afraid! xD
Janitor: "Kid, stop writing your name on the wall with your fecal matter."
Kid: Bad guy alert, bang, bang!"

Kid: "I don't have enough money but I still want 3 slices of pizza!"
Kitchen worker: "No money, no pizza!"
Kid: "Okay then die, bang bang!"

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/26/gun-owners-outraged-at-being-identified-as-gun-owners

fficial&tbm=isch&source=univ&ei=tGnkUPKKMKa22gWqqIGwDg&ved=0CGYQsAQ4Cg&biw=1366&bih=599">https://www.google.com/search?q=elmer+fudd+%26+NRA&start=10&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=fU8&sa=N&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&tbm=isch&source=univ&ei=tGnkUPKKMKa22gWqqIGwDg&ved=0CGYQsAQ4Cg&biw=1366&bih=599

EmperorPalpatine
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No ani-bullets Vests and other stuff like that.

It's not difficult to make your own.
Masterforger
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I have a better one, let's give a gun to every kids in school so that if they see a bad guy, they can blow up his brain. Now all of you crabby janitors and school kitchen workers need to be afraid! xD
Janitor: "Kid, stop writing your name on the wall with your fecal matter."
Kid: Bad guy alert, bang, bang!"

Kid: "I don't have enough money but I still want 3 slices of pizza!"
Kitchen worker: "No money, no pizza!"
Kid: "Okay then die, bang bang!"

Oh, yes, because that's what I've been preaching for the past pages, right? Oh, wrong, I've been preaching stricter gun laws but also the ability to buy a gun if you have the right reasons. And now, SSTG, I have a question for you; why write that ridiculous excuse for an argument when you know what people like Kasic, EmperorPalpatine and myself have been saying?
SSTG
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I have a question for you; why write that ridiculous excuse for an argument when you know what people like Kasic, EmperorPalpatine and myself have been saying?

Because despite what you say, the rest of the gun lovers still think in the back of their mind that gun solves all the problems even though it has been proven that it does not. The paranoia is still there. Nothing justifies owning a gun in the US. If we lived in Afghanistan I would agree but this is supposed to be a civilized country.
EmperorPalpatine
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If we lived in Afghanistan I would agree

Why? What justifies civilians owning guns over there?
partydevil
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let them have their body armor. it's gonna take a while befor you beat someone to death whit that. =P
not that it's very useful tho. of all the normal people only the paranoid will need one.

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Why? What justifies civilians owning guns over there?

Fanatic religious zealots willing to blow up you head if you don't fit in their twisted views.
That's not the point anyway, the subject is derailing
Why are we talking about kevlar suits? What's next, radar, mines, driving a gaz guzzling hummer to defend against people who drive Japanese cars?

Let's go back to the gun subject.
Guns are made for killing. Guns should be allowed for militaries and cops, and not for some people thirsty for violence (target practice with assault weapons), and paranoid about being attacked by ruthless and heavily armed rubbers.
Ban the selling of guns during gun shows, and why not ban the shows completely while we're at it?
This ridiculous culture of I have a small penis so I'll get a gun and nobody will hurt me.
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Hey why did the last part vanished?
This ridiculous culture of I have a small penis so I'll get a gun and nobody will hurt me needs to stop.

Masterforger
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Hey why did the last part vanished?
This ridiculous culture of I have a small penis so I'll get a gun and nobody will hurt me needs to stop.

Flawless argument. Except for one thing. It's rational. You think you're gonna get gun lovers to give up? You think it's that easy? You think the love of guns will just disappear? No love disappears. It is easier to restrict it, no?

But, we're on a forum, not in a debating hall. Good luck getting the US to give up it's lax gun laws.
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But, we're on a forum, not in a debating hall. Good luck getting the US to give up it's lax gun laws.

I totally agree with you on that, It'll never happen.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/02/article-2211559-154D7763000005DC-618_634x523.jpg

I was actually starting to like her, she's getting cuter, her dancing was improving...
I felt sorry for her, having such a weirdo for a mom but then they had to show this on DWTS, which totally disgusted me.
What's wrong with that picture, anybody?
EmperorPalpatine
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Fanatic religious zealots willing to blow up you head if you don't fit in their twisted views.

You really think we don't have that over here. example of exactly what you stated.
Masterforger
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You really think we don't have that over here. example of exactly what you stated.

Dis someone post that before? I remember reading it.
I totally agree with you on that, It'll never happen.

Do to the fact I don't live in the US, I am intrigued by this picture. What's so bad about it? Tis a girl using a machine gun.
As this guy said:
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The future, gentlemen. The future.
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