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Westboro baptist church (Sign the petition)

Posted Dec 21, '12 at 8:42pm

IAgreeWithYou

IAgreeWithYou

531 posts

Not sure if there is a thread on this anywhere but now that it is mandatory to look at a petition in the united states if it has over 25,000 signatures there is a movement to classify the Westboro baptist church as a hate group. This will remove their tax exempt status from the government and overall will help stop the stupid things that they do.

Currently there are over 200,000 signatures but I encourage all of you to sign here.

Now that I've said that, what do you guys even think about this stupid organisation? The things they do I think even normal religious people are against and is just terrible.

 

Posted Dec 21, '12 at 9:26pm

Jacen96

Jacen96

3,174 posts

I think they are stupid, especially because they plan on picketing the funerals of the victims of the Connecticut shooting.

~~~Darth Caedus

 

Posted Dec 21, '12 at 9:27pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,266 posts

Knight

This will remove their tax exempt status from the government and overall will help stop the stupid things that they do.


But, they aren't a hate group.

*going by the definition given by Wikipedia*

They aren't advocating violence. They aren't threatening people's lives. They aren't rallying people to destroy property. All they're doing is saying hateful things.

They shouldn't be exempt from paying any taxes, but they shouldn't be labeled as a hate group either (because, by the legal definition, they aren't).
 

Posted Dec 21, '12 at 9:27pm

arkaninerenegade

arkaninerenegade

835 posts

Did they say why they are picketing the sandy hook funerals? For gays they say because homosexuality is bad same for vets, but what about these kids? what did they do?

 

Posted Dec 21, '12 at 9:45pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,266 posts

Knight

They want to send the message that the shooting is a sign from God that we need to stop sinning.

 

Posted Dec 21, '12 at 11:14pm

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

Some day, someone's going to decide to deal with their shenanigans in a less than peaceful manner.

 

Posted Dec 21, '12 at 11:17pm

rafterman

rafterman

624 posts

but I encourage all of you to sign

Why do you hate freedom?
 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 2:55am

partydevil

partydevil

5,289 posts

All they're doing is saying hateful things.

they incite hatred.
enough for me to call them a hate group.

Some day, someone's going to decide to deal with their shenanigans in a less than peaceful manner.

i love to see the bikers scare the **** out of them.. it's sooo funny. all they do is stand next to them. xD

Why do you hate freedom?

those that do not want freedom for others, do not deserve freedom themselve.
 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 3:22am

IAgreeWithYou

IAgreeWithYou

531 posts

Why do you hate freedom?


I never said I hate freedom. Why do you assume that? They can say whatever the hell they want but they're not going to be tax exempt because they're a "Religion".

They shouldn't be exempt from paying any taxes, but they shouldn't be labeled as a hate group either (because, by the legal definition, they aren't).


Alright, if we're going to go by definition they aren't a hate group. However, what do you suggest they should be labeled as?

Hate group definitions:

Definition 1 :
an organization whose purpose is to promote animosity, hostility and malice against persons belonging to a different race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity or national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization.


Definition 2:
A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hate, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society.


Also did anyone hear about the hacker that sent gay pornography to the group's leader's television? I gave a bit of a laugh when I saw that.
 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 7:28am

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,266 posts

Knight

Alright, if we're going to go by definition they aren't a hate group. However, what do you suggest they should be labeled as?


The government shouldn't label them as anything.

Hate group definitions:


We're not just attaching labels here. For the government to attach the label hate group to a bunch of people is a pretty big deal. It suggests that those people are demanding we use violence against others.

There's a fine line between, say, the KKK who demands we use violence against other races and WBC, who simply state how much they (and God) hate everyone else.

hey can say whatever the hell they want but they're not going to be tax exempt because they're a "Religion".


I'm not exactly sure what their situation is with taxes. However, I don't think we should place WBC at the same level as other (actual violent) hate groups just to force them to pay taxes.
 
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