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Posted Dec 22, '12 at 2:51pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,572 posts

I thought that we had "Freedom of Speech"? Like what NoNameC68 said,

Yes, but when it's just being pointlessly hateful and emotionally harmful, there's a limit. Protesting at funerals, saying people died because they were sinners and what not...

I know it might hurt feelings, it is not illegal. They have a right to speak.

And that's the problem. People have the right to say what they believe, so we can't stop them. Deciding what does and does not have the right to be said is extremely arrogant though and sets precedents though.

If someone from across the street started cussing you out, would you call the police? Would he be thrown in jail? No, he shouldn't, because we all have freedom of speech. That example is similar, isn't it?

You can ignore that pretty easily. What the WBC does is take advantage of tragic situations, accuse the victims, and then try to promote their own bigoted agenda.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 3:07pm

Mickeyryn

Mickeyryn

244 posts

I don't approve of that, but...What can I say? It is not illegal, and making it illegal or banning it will just provoke more people to think that speaking out shouldn't be allowed.

Example: *Freedom of Speech is banned*, and (not saying this is gonna happen, but) the current pres. is speaking, and someone yells, that he doesn't like the pres's plan. The man who spoke out gets shot. You know, if they ban Freedom of Speech, our country will be just like Egypt and Syria and Iran, or even North Korea. They speak out? They get shot. Murdered. Never heard of again. Is that what you want? THIS IS AMERICA PEOPLE!!!

(I ain't sayin' what the WBC is sayin' is FINE, but... we are still IN AMERICA PEOPLE!!!!!!

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 3:09pm

TheMostManlyMan

TheMostManlyMan

2,913 posts

We are not suggesting to take away their freedom of speech, just their freedom to not pay taxes because they're a "religious" group.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 4:54pm

Freakenstein

Freakenstein

8,148 posts

Moderator

Why just the Westboro Baptist church then?

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 5:45pm

Kalb789

Kalb789

658 posts

KKK who demands we use violence against other races

Actually they don't.  They used to but they don't officially encourage violence.

PS- I don't agree with them in any way.

Also, regarding the WBC, they're basically immune to any legal action.  They are completely legal and protected by the constitution.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 6:12pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,071 posts

Knight

the government can't put that label on whitout violence? hate is more then just violence. if everyone (most) outside westboro thinks they are a hate group why shouldn't the government label them as that aswell?
afterall the government should be the voice of the public.

The government is supposed to protect the people, even the minority.

it doesn't?
because they dont use violence against peanut butter or...?

Okay, if I start a club for everyone who hates peanut butter, and the government labels my club a hate group... you would be okay with that?

If so, I rest my case.

can't the same be done whit westboro? they conspire against gays.

No, they aren't conspiring against gays. They're speaking out against them, but they aren't coming up with ways in which they harm gays, or ways to convince others to harm gays.

Yes, but when it's just being pointlessly hateful and emotionally harmful, there's a limit. Protesting at funerals, saying people died because they were sinners and what not...

It's horrible, but it's their right. Freedom of speech exists to protect unpopular ideas. This freedom does not work off of whether said ideas are true or not.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 6:15pm

rafterman

rafterman

623 posts

Yes, but when it's just being pointlessly hateful and emotionally harmful, there's a limit. Protesting at funerals, saying people died because they were sinners and what not...

No, there is no limit. Hence the first word in "Freedom of speech".

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 6:21pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,028 posts

Knight

It's horrible, but it's their right. Freedom of speech exists to protect unpopular ideas. This freedom does not work off of whether said ideas are true or not.

It's their right to think so and say if asked etc., but I believe it's impeding on the others right of private time and quietude to go disturb a funeral by shouting hateful speeches around. There may not be a limit about one's opinion, but there surely should be a limit about the way to express something.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 7:34pm

TheMostManlyMan

TheMostManlyMan

2,913 posts

@Freakenstein: Because others aren't harassing people at their kids funerals.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 7:49pm

Freakenstein

Freakenstein

8,148 posts

Moderator

@Freakenstein: Because others aren't harassing people at their kids funerals.

That has no bearing on tax-exempt organizations. You either are or you aren't, and as it stands, religious churches in general are tax-exempt. So why not petition for all if that's what the petition entails? Why target the WBC only? It's so destructive a petition to  make the government act upon ONE CHURCH for behavior that is totally irrelevant to the wanted actions.

 
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