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Westboro baptist church (Sign the petition)

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 8:03pm

blk2860

blk2860

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but I encourage all of you to sign here.

Yeah sure, I know a lot of people that have "encouraged" me to do things...

Alright, if we're going to go by definition they aren't a hate group. However, what do you suggest they should be labeled as?

A "religion". Ever think of that one?

"we need to kill all the ***s,"

Did you censor the word Gay? Or did you say something else?

because they dont use violence against peanut butter or...?

I spit Mountain Dew out my nose when I read this.

can't the same be done whit westboro? they conspire against gays.

If they did this all Christians would be arrested.

And that's the problem. People have the right to say what they believe, so we can't stop them. Deciding what does and does not have the right to be said is extremely arrogant though and sets precedents though.

You could stop them if they said something like they wanted to kill someone like a president or something like that.

I will say it again: THERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So your saying If I told someone I wanted to kill the president. Nobody could do anything? I wouldn't be put in jail? They'd just say."Well okay."?

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 8:11pm

Mickeyryn

Mickeyryn

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Well for conspiracy. But not just because someone didn't like what you said.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 8:31pm

Kasic

Kasic

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I think Hahiha put it best.

It's not that they don't have a right to their own opinion or shouldn't be allowed to say what they say.

It's how and where they say it.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 8:31pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,069 posts

Knight

Did you censor the word Gay? Or did you say something else?

Nah, I typed F--s. The word the usually use.

I would also like to point out how awkward it is to use the word "usually" and "use" back to back.

I can only think of two times when speech should be limited.
1. When a person either talks about doing harm to another person or their property, or when they tell other people to do harm.
2. "Shouting 'fire' in a theater." (I suck at explaining this one, use google if you never heard the phrase before.)

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 8:34pm

Freakenstein

Freakenstein

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2. "Shouting 'fire' in a theater." (I suck at explaining this one, use google if you never heard the phrase before.)

I explain it as "because the effect of such language has the potential to cause mass hysteria and harm", like shouting "earthquake!" in California or "he's got a gun!" anywhere.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 8:49pm

blk2860

blk2860

3,686 posts

Speaking of which, If you shout "BOMB!" or "BOOM!" In an Airport you'll most likely being arrested. Even if you say: "Wow this airport Bar is the BOMB!"

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 9:54pm

partydevil

partydevil

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I thought that we had "Freedom of Speech"?

freedom of speech has it's limits

If someone from across the street started cussing you out, would you call the police? Would he be thrown in jail? No, he shouldn't, because we all have freedom of speech. That example is similar, isn't it?

the guy across the street is not always actively seeking for attention of the media to incite people to hate you.

Example: *Freedom of Speech is banned*

shutting up westboro wont make usa the next north-korea.

if they ban Freedom of Speech, our country will be just like Egypt

seriously? egypt?
egypt isn't like that at all. people are pretty free there and always have been compared whit you other examples. it's kinda a insult to place them on that spot. better could have said libya then.

Why just the Westboro Baptist church then?

good point. why shouldn't religious groups pay taxes?
scrap that whole law, right now. xD

The government is supposed to protect the people, even the minority.

and they want to protect the gays from hatefull groups that encourages other people to hate them aswell. all in gods name, so it doesn't make sense anyway.

If so, I rest my case.

you can rest your case...
i would be okey whit that. (not taking in account how serious i would take that hate group.)

It's horrible, but it's their right.

things like this makes me laugh at the holiness of wich the constitution is considered.

Yeah sure, I know a lot of people that have "encouraged" me to do things...

and we know by now that you openly contradict yourself, and still think it's right both ways.

there is no use for this.

If they did this all Christians would be arrested.

close minded view... that sure is not the case.

If you shout "BOMB!" or "BOOM!" In an Airport you'll most likely being arrested.

so much for your beloved freedom of speech.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 10:04pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,566 posts

good point. why shouldn't religious groups pay taxes?
scrap that whole law, right now. xD

I'd sign the petition for that. Why are religious groups tax exempt anyways? They're occupying land that is otherwise wanted, people who attend the church can all chip in a dollar a week and pay the taxes just fine.

If they did this all Christians would be arrested.

There's a difference in saying you think homosexuality is a sin and going from funeral to funeral accusing the victims of being sinners and saying that they died because of homosexuals.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 10:16pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,069 posts

Knight

shutting up westboro wont make usa the next north-korea.

It doesn't matter. Everyone has rights, even if you don't like them or what they have to say.

and they want to protect the gays from hatefull groups that encourages other people to hate them aswell. all in gods name, so it doesn't make sense anyway.

Protect gays from hateful groups that encourage others to hate them as well? Reality check, WBC is failing to convince others to hate gays - despite freedom of speech. We didn't need the government to step in.

things like this makes me laugh at the holiness of wich the constitution is considered.

Despite freedom of speech, we're fine. There's nothing to fear. We let WBC preach, and nothing bad really happens. It's horrible for the few funerals they do protest, but the reason the group is so small is because almost all people aren't stupid enough to join them.

It is horrible for the few families who have to put up with their protests, but we can't create a law that effects EVERYONE just to silence this handful of people. And we can't give the government the power to silence this group because giving the government that kind of power will also grant them power to silence anyone they deem as wrong.

so much for your beloved freedom of speech.

You're implying that we're satisfied with our speech laws.

We're not.

When you can't even casually mention a word, something is wrong. That's why so many Americans hate the TSA.

The fact foreigners care little for freedom of speech just shows how others view the world as lambs and shepherds.

 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 10:21pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,069 posts

Knight

There's a difference in saying you think homosexuality is a sin and going from funeral to funeral accusing the victims of being sinners and saying that they died because of homosexuals.

Sure, they're not the same thing. But both are just words.

Can you not come up with solutions to prevent the funeral protests without taking away all of our rights?

 
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