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Posted Dec 22, '12 at 10:32pm

Kasic

Kasic

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Can you not come up with solutions to prevent the funeral protests without taking away all of our rights?


I never said that we should sign the petition. I said that the Westboro Baptist Church shouldn't be allowed to do what they do.
 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 10:36pm

partydevil

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It doesn't matter. Everyone has rights, even if you don't like them or what they have to say.

like was said befor by someone: it's not what they say but the way they do it and at the most inappropriate times. solely to seek attention ofthe media to promote themselve and their ideas.
making the country less safe for a certain group that they dont like.

WBC is failing to convince others to hate gays

it's their cause nontheless.
if they fail or not should not be considered.

It is horrible for the few families who have to put up with their protests, but we can't create a law that effects EVERYONE just to silence this handful of people. And we can't give the government the power to silence this group because giving the government that kind of power will also grant them power to silence anyone they deem as wrong.

i.e. the constitution is not open for exceptions. and it will never, because it's holy.
You're implying that we're satisfied with our speech laws.

We're not.

more freedom, more freedom, always wanting more freedom.
why do you guys have a government anyway?
whitout it, your freedom is endless and we dont have to facepalm that often.

That's why so many Americans hate the TSA.

we hate them aswell. because they are the cause for usa laws that other countries have to follow aswell. or els they are not welcome to land in the usa.
why must we follow usa laws? why can a hacker in the uk being send to jail in the usa while he never been to the usa? it wasn't illegal what he did in the uk... i think i'm drowning off now.
 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 11:12pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

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Knight

I never said that we should sign the petition. I said that the Westboro Baptist Church shouldn't be allowed to do what they do.


That's where I disagree. What they do is horrible, but the government shouldn't have the power to stop them.

like was said befor by someone: it's not what they say but the way they do it and at the most inappropriate times. solely to seek attention ofthe media to promote themselve and their ideas.
making the country less safe for a certain group that they dont like.


They aren't putting anyone in danger, except for maybe themselves.

i.e. the constitution is not open for exceptions. and it will never, because it's holy.


Essentially, you're making it a crime to upset people. Again, you would sacrifice every single person's rights to stop a single group of people.

i.e. you would sacrifice every single person's rights to stop a single group of people.

we hate them aswell. because they are the cause for usa laws that other countries have to follow aswell. or els they are not welcome to land in the usa.
why must we follow usa laws? why can a hacker in the uk being send to jail in the usa while he never been to the usa? it wasn't illegal what he did in the uk... i think i'm drowning off now.


You say that like it's something I support. I don't condone many, if not most of, America's actions.
 

Posted Dec 22, '12 at 11:54pm

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

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iagreewithyou Alright, if we're going to go by definition they aren't a hate group. However, what do you suggest they should be labeled as?

blk2860: A "religion". Ever think of that one?

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-8/hitler-and-the-pope.jpg
There's no reason you can't be both.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 1:38am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

9,709 posts

Freedom of speech exists to protect unpopular ideas


But it was created mostly in mind to protect ideas such as "i think this president is bad etc"

If they did this all Christians would be arrested.


Because...y'know..all Christians hate gays. And all Christians picket about how they are going to burn in hell and are ruining our world

So your saying If I told someone I wanted to kill the president. Nobody could do anything? I wouldn't be put in jail? They'd just say."Well okay."?


No..because you are threatening to kill the President. That is treason. And has nothing to do with Freedom of Speech

Essentially, you're making it a crime to upset people. Again, you would sacrifice every single person's rights to stop a single group of people.


Why not make it a crime to impose/disrupt a funeral and not allow the family/friends/group freedom to mourn in peace?
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 1:42am

Kasic

Kasic

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That's where I disagree. What they do is horrible, but the government shouldn't have the power to stop them.


Which I also addressed in my initial post :/

Because...y'know..all Christians hate gays. And all Christians picket about how they are going to burn in hell and are ruining our world


That's still far less than what the WBC does.

Why not make it a crime to impose/disrupt a funeral and not allow the family/friends/group freedom to mourn in peace?


Works for me. I would imagine it should be on the order of repeated noise complaints or harassment.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 1:49am

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

5,296 posts

Knight

Works for me. I would imagine it should be on the order of repeated noise complaints or harassment.


So... ban all protests then?
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 1:52am

Kasic

Kasic

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So... ban all protests then?


No. Just at funeral sites. There's no reason it has to be so extreme as to ban all forms of protest or anything.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 2:09am

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

No. Just at funeral sites. There's no reason it has to be so extreme as to ban all forms of protest or anything.

And what's to stop someone from declaring their city a funeral site?
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 2:25am

Kasic

Kasic

5,734 posts

And what's to stop someone from declaring their city a funeral site?


I so wish you were joking, but sadly this is a legitimate question. I would like to say common sense, but we all know that won't do any good.

One way would be, say, any place within a half mile of where a funeral is currently taking place. That would limit it to areas where bodies are buried only and only during certain times. I'm having trouble imagining how you could circumvent that unless you want to argue that the government is going to continuously bury bodies outside of places where demonstrations usually take place.

Honestly, why would anyone need to protest on site during a funeral? The WBC can speak what they want, but that doesn't give them the right to be complete ******** to people who are grieving.
 
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