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Posted Dec 23, '12 at 8:32am

HahiHa

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So... ban all protests then?

Our system allows protests, but they need to get permission from the local authorities first; those will check if the demonstrations are ok or if they are against international and national laws for example. I don't know how they would handle a WBC funeral protest, I'm sure they wouldn't allow it but I don't know with what justification.
Of course I know that this probably wouldn't work in the US as the government is so mistrusted there and people would cry out about an apparent loss of freedom. I just can tell that here in Switzerland, it usually works fine and most demonstrations get permissions.

One problem I see with that WBC is that you cannot legally enforce decency. You cannot put someone behind bars for just being a jerk, or am I wrong? Protesting at funerals is of course much more than just being a jerk, but, my point is you need certain objective criteria, and "decency" doesn't really grant that. But it should by all means be thrown in the balance in case of a judicial evaluation for any other reason.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 11:27am

Jacen96

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And what's to stop someone from declaring their city a funeral site?
There already exists a policy blocking protests at military funerals, they could just extend this to all funerals.

~~~Darth Caedus
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 12:48pm

NoNameC68

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There already exists a policy blocking protests at military funerals, they could just extend this to all funerals.

~~~Darth Caedus


Now we can't counter protest WBC when they break the law.

OBAMA, YOU DON' GOOFED.

We have a right to offend. People will use this right in ways you disagree with, but that's why it's a right. People have this idea they should only protect freedoms for people they agree with. After all, if you're not taking advantage of a freedom, why would you care if it were taken away?
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 1:28pm

Dash

Dash

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WBC are atheists in disguise trying to make religious people look bad.

 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 1:36pm

NoNameC68

NoNameC68

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WBC are atheists in disguise trying to make religious people look bad.


I highly doubt it.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 1:57pm

Kasic

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We have a right to offend. People will use this right in ways you disagree with, but that's why it's a right. People have this idea they should only protect freedoms for people they agree with.


Yes, but that doesn't mean that people have a right to offend people wherever and whenever.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 3:14pm

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

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Yes, but that doesn't mean that people have a right to offend people wherever and whenever.

Here's an excellent debate on the subject.
What authority do you believe has the right and the necessary insight to decide what speech of your is deemed acceptable and what is considered too offensive and therefore censored?
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 3:19pm

Kasic

Kasic

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What authority do you believe has the right and the necessary insight to decide what speech of your is deemed acceptable and what is considered too offensive and therefore censored?


None, really. However, I don't think that applies to location. There is really no reason that anyone needs to protest on site during a funeral.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 4:21pm

Freakenstein

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WBC are atheists in disguise trying to make religious people look bad


Please don't associate us with those people.

None, really. However, I don't think that applies to location. There is really no reason that anyone needs to protest on site during a funeral.


They protest on military funerals due to their philosophy that the military is at fault for allowing homosexuals to exist, whilst their fighting is incurring the wrath of God. All that aside, if that is their philosophy, funerals of the military *would* be their prime target, so I really don't think we can regulate where a group decides to protest. I'm really not sure on that.
 

Posted Dec 23, '12 at 4:26pm

Kasic

Kasic

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They protest on military funerals due to their philosophy that the military is at fault for allowing homosexuals to exist, whilst their fighting is incurring the wrath of God. All that aside, if that is their philosophy, funerals of the military *would* be their prime target, so I really don't think we can regulate where a group decides to protest


Thing is though, they still can protest about all that, but they don't need to do it on site at the funeral. They can, quite simply, do it somewhere else.
 
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