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Is it OK to teach evolution in public schools?

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:27pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

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Knight

Sorry for DP, but I thought I might add on a bit to the "physics" part.

It's really just fluid dynamics, hence the reference to rain drops:

"Every planet began its existence in an entirely fluid state;"
wikipedia on planets

Scientific American on why are planets round

 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:32pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

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I cannot believe your saying the earth isn't round. I used to think it was flat, but definitely not potato-shaped. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT...GOODNIGHT!

 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:38pm

Kasic

Kasic

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I cannot believe your saying the earth isn't round.


He was exaggerating. It's round, yes, but the height/width dimensions are not the same. It's something around 69 kilometers wider than taller, due to the rotational forces. (An easy demonstration of this property is spinning a waterballoon and watching how the water goes out to the sides)

The equator is also thicker, like scar tissue around it. Do you have a globe? Go feel around the equator, they make them raised to simulate that.
 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:44pm

NoNameC68

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Knight

by perfect, I mean unnaturally round. Is this really what your turning against me?! lol pathetic. so what shape is it, cubic?


The earth is an oblate spheroid.

Do you understand why the Earth, planets, and stars are all rounded?

You stated that Catholics believe a supreme being created everything in their spherical form, as if to suggest that there is no reason for said objects to be round otherwise.

So why are certain objects in space spheroids?

Surely, if Earth did somehow exist without God, it would look more like an asteroid than a spheroid, right? The Earth would just be a clump of mass being pulled around the sun, wouldn't it?

http://i44.tinypic.com/5xiyya.jpg

So what would happen if we took a liquid, such as water, and put it in a zero gravity environment?* One might think it would form a random shape. Let's find out.

* Note: For sake of argument, we're assuming the zero gravity environment is not a vacuum - otherwise the water would freeze.

Video of water in zero gravity.

The water formed a sphere. Why is that? All matter forms some level of a gravitational pull. The matter that makes up the water will pull into each other until it forms a spherical shape. Why spherical? It's the only shape in which the matter is evenly distributed.

But why are we comparing Earth to Water? The Earth, unlike asteroids, is not completely solid. Most of the Earth's core is liquid, this allowed Earth's mass to form a spherical shape.

So Earth is a sphere? Well, not exactly. Because the Earth is spinning, it bulges slightly as it nears the equator. Even at that, Earth is not a perfect oblate spheroid.

Sure, you can argue that God's the one who created the laws of nature, therefore he's the reason the Earth is round. However, you can NOT argue that the earth is round in spite of the laws of nature, as if it's some sort of miracle. The shape of the Earth complies with nature, it doesn't defy it.
 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:49pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

Good point, I actually did learn something here. Goodnight

 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:50pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

There's a chance, but I thought I could at least believe my own teachers. Now I know not to. Thanks man.


It's not really a matter of who says it but rather what evidence they can bring to support what they are saying.

Before you get to it the Bible isn't evidence but a book of claims requiring evidence.

No, I mean God made them. Evolution says 'poof' the earth came, perfectly formed globe, from an explosion. Catholicism says 'poof' a supreme being created it in perfect form.


You seem to be constantly trying to conflate several theories into one. Is his what you were taught about evolution?

If you wish to learn about evolution for your self here is something to get you started.
http://mindofmage.blogspot.com/2013/03/evolution-bomb.html

I would recommend starting with this link first.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_02

At least then you can be arguing against what evolution actually says.

I cannot believe your saying the earth isn't round. I used to think it was flat, but definitely not potato-shaped.


That's a good reaction. It would be better if you also applied it to your religious teachings as well. Let me stress that last part, AS WELL. You were presented with new information an you didn't just accept it out right. Do this with every piece of information you are told and only accept something once sufficient evidence is presented, demonstrating what is being told to you.
 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:51pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

I will take it into my range of beliefs and theories.

 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:57pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

9,776 posts

Knight

I will take it into my range of beliefs and theories.


If that was a reply to what I was saying, Excellent! The next step after getting use to question is learning how to fact check.
 

Posted May 11, '13 at 6:58pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

Yes it was in response to you. You seem to be the only one making points revolving around natural facts, rather than those made by man.

 

Posted May 11, '13 at 7:06pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,260 posts

Knight

Yes it was in response to you. You seem to be the only one making points revolving around natural facts, rather than those made by man.

You didn't need to proove you never looked at our links, we already knew that..
 
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