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Is it OK to teach evolution in public schools?

Posted May 12, '13 at 7:42pm

partydevil

partydevil

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giving out scientific "facts" aren't evidence to me.

only because you are not willing to think about the evidence given to you.
this is not our problem. it is your problem your that close minded.
and i hope for you that one day you are becoming willing to read and think about it. and not just discard it befor you have even taken a little peak in it.
and build up at least a basic understanding of what science is.

I can't prove God,

you can't prove god. then why do you want us to believe in it?
i can't prove the ninja turtles. but since they have been on tv. they must exist...... why dont you buy my story of ninja turtles existing? because i have no proof for it.
the same go's whit god. for us he is nothing more then a man made character to explain things people had no understanding of. (god did it.) but we do know the answers to most of those questions these days. and they dont point at magic from the sky.

I was born with faith, so I don't have to see.

dont you think the world will be a more beautiful place when you can see it whit your eye's open? do you really want to be blind?

If you don't have that faith, then you would only believe by being shown a miracle of some sort, am I right?

miracles dont happen so, no. when i c a "miracle" i know it's some trickery.
only when someone can prove it is really a miracle (shouldn't be that hard to prove for a omnipotent god) and no trickery. i start believing in some sort of higher power.
you can make me believe in anything. as long you come up whit proper evidence. (dont believe on 1st sight, use logic, check out sources, etc.)

I was born with faith, so I don't have to see.

We, as humans, need to see to believe.

so your not human? or something above human? you feel that way?
and yes, we need to see to believe. why dont you need to see?
the faith? is that what makes you possible to walk life blindly? is so, then thats all fine by me. but plz. know that you will be wrong very often.
you dont see after all. you walk blind on faith.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 7:50pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

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Humans need to see to believe.
You don't have that need.
Therefore, you're not human. What are you?

Sorry, if u aren't born with faith, a special knowledge of it, u need to see.

dont you think the world will be a more beautiful place when you can see it whit your eye's open? do you really want to be blind?

no dude, u don't get what i mean. (i forgot who I was dealing with) I meant I don't have to see proof of God.

i can't prove the ninja turtles. but since they have been on tv. they must exist...... why dont you buy my story of ninja turtles existing? because i have no proof for it.
I didn't say I didn't buy the story, in fact, I don't remember u talking about them at all. XD But listen buddy, I'm pretty sure they are just puppets, costumes, and cartoons, but i may be wrong. 

miracles dont happen so, no.
Miracles do happen, and there is proof on the internet, in history books, and even all around you, in a common sense.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 7:54pm

EmperorPalpatine

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Before we entertain this, please define faith, miracle, and proof so we're all on the same page.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 7:58pm

KnightDeclan

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Faith, in this sense, is the supernatural gift and virtue where we know, love, and serve God from pure senses and common belief.  Miracle is a supernatural event occurring for the greater end of us, whether it be one of healing, overcoming trial, going against nature etc. proof is evidence to back up a belief.  When I want proof, I want proof that I can see in my everyday life.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 8:09pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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supernatural gift

That means God's playing favorites. If you dare to say He's just, this goes directly against that notion.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 8:12pm

KnightDeclan

KnightDeclan

487 posts

what on earth do you mean?  Faith, Hope, and Charity are the 3 theological virtues.  You would get them at baptism.  If you want those, then follow the faith.  It's not like I get paid for sitting around all day without a valid excuse.  Does this make a boss unjust? XD silly boy

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 8:26pm

partydevil

partydevil

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no dude, u don't get what i mean. (i forgot who I was dealing with) I meant I don't have to see proof of God.

i know what you mean... =)

but you dont see proof of god but do believe in it.
and you are not willing to look at proof contradicting whit you believe in god that has no proof.
so basically, your walking around blind.

at 1, you look at but there is nothing to see. the other, has allot to see but your willing to look.

I didn't say I didn't buy the story, in fact, I don't remember u talking about them at all. XD But listen buddy, I'm pretty sure they are just puppets, costumes, and cartoons, but i may be wrong. 

i'm sorry, i think i went a bit to fast for you there.

it's a role game i'm doing there. i know you are not going to buy my claim that the ninja turtles exist. thats just logic. so i already got past that part and went on whit my explanation.
the same logic that i used in this example. and that you seem to be able of, because you indeed rejected the claim of existing ninja turtles.
that same logic we use on god. since there is no proof for gods existence. just like there is no proof for the existence of ninja turtles.

Miracles do happen, and there is proof on the internet, in history books, and even all around you, in a common sense.

if so, then it is very easy for you to give me this evidence of miracles, right?
if you could just give me this evidence. and it turns out to be actual miracles. then you've won my soul and i return back to believing in some sort of higher power. (easy as that.)

what on earth do you mean?

if god hands out faith to only some of humans. and we need faith to believe in hem. and we need to believe in him to not be send to hell. then god is playing favorite. what about a hindu? they never had the option to get his faith and will automatically be send to hell.
in other words. gandhi is send to hell because he had no faith in god.

You would get them at baptism.

i got baptized.... guess what?..... nothing happened/changed.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 8:33pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

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i know you are not going to buy my claim that the ninja turtles exist. thats just logic.
because you indeed rejected the claim of existing ninja turtles.

I think he went with "it's possible" in saying "but i may be wrong."

that same logic we use on god. since there is no proof for gods existence. just like there is no proof for the existence of ninja turtles.

I'd point out that "absense of evidence isn't evidence of absense", but yes, the time to believe is when the evidence is sufficient, and not a second sooner.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 8:48pm

MageGrayWolf

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

Oh believe me, I have tried to learn.  Its just that all that you guys have said was either contradicting my religion, or just plain unbelievable for me.

What do you do when the natural facts and your religion are in conflict? Because that is in essence what's going on.

These natural facts, as you call them are just observed events. A theory in science is the explanation for why and how something took place. This explanation has to fit with all observed events, have practical applicable function function (such as using the the explanation to produce a medicine for example.) and be able to predict that something we haven't observed yet exists (example is how the Big Bang predicted the existence of microwave background radiation.)

Even if there is a God, just saying "God did it" tells us nothing. Assuming God to be real, a theory that included God would have to explain the mechanism and process God used to achieve the outcome we observe.

What we observe doesn't match what the Bible says happened. As for the mechanisms and processes involved, that is vague to non existent in the Bible.

There are definitely things that you guys won't believe, just out of pure spite.  We're humans, it's what we do.

Just as you wanted evidence for the Earth being an oblong spheroid before accepting that claim we too want that same level of evidence for the existence of God before we accept the claim that such a being exists.

I can't prove God, but I was born with faith, so I don't have to see.

Belief without evidence, how is this a reliable gauge for reality? You weren't born believing in the God you follow. That was instilled in you, likely by your parents at an early age. That's why religion tends to be regional.

When something is true it doesn't tend to be regional.

Humans need to see to believe.

I want to believe what's true to the best of my abilities. As such I require that I am provided with something verifiable and observable to gauge what I'm being told against before I accept the claim.

This is what earned you a gold star when you didn't accept that the Earth was an oblong spheroid at first. You weren't provided with any evidence to that claim to begin with so you didn't accept it. Why make this exception for something so important such as God? If it is so important then it should require that level of evidence in return to be first accepted.Otherwise you lowering it to the level of acceptance one would give a conartist.

Miracles do happen, and there is proof on the internet, in history books, and even all around you, in a common sense.

Every miracle thus far has been provided on hearsay and/or debunked as a natural occurrence that was mistaken for something else or a con.

"A miracle is sometimes thought of as a perceptible interruption of the laws of nature." -wiki

We don't see natural processes being interrupted all around us. Common sense does not tell us that natural processes suspend themselves, as per what a miracle is.

Faith, in this sense, is the supernatural gift and virtue where we know, love, and serve God from pure senses and common belief.

Faith is belief without proof/evidence, even the Bible described it as such.

Hebrews 11:1(NIV)
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

Being certain of what we do not see is a horrid requirement for belief, especially from an all powerful being. I doubt you would accept such a requirement from anything else as being anything but a deception.

proof is evidence to back up a belief.  When I want proof, I want proof that I can see in my everyday life.

If there was evidence you wouldn't need faith to believe. Thus making a requirement of faith a useless one, since the evidence can just garner belief.

To swing this back around to the topic. Science will only follow what is observed, from this observation we can from explanations for what is going on. A school is only allowed to teach the explanation that the scientists agree fit all the observations the best. As such it can't teach anything that requires faith.

 

Posted May 12, '13 at 8:59pm

partydevil

partydevil

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no dude, u don't get what i mean. (i forgot who I was dealing with) I meant I don't have to see proof of God.

this got me thinking.....
i havn't said much to you untill today. (nothing you have replied on at least)

(i forgot who I was dealing with)

does this mean you have returned whit a new account? or made a alt for this kinda non-sense? and why did you return? just simple trolling?

 
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