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shortstopkid123
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Many parents argue about schools teaching evolution. Creationalists do not support or believe in the theory of evolution. It goes against their beliefs. They do not believe it should be taught because it apposes many peoples' beliefs. Do you think that it should be taught?

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Lets try not point out certain religions. I am saying creationalists for a reason.

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MageGrayWolf
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Oh might as well get this out of the way sine I'm thinking about it and use this as an excuse to post an image I just came across.


My religion was started by God, your belief by man.


Your religion is just men claiming what they are saying is from God with nothing to back that claim up.

Now for that image. Which actually has something to do with the topic.

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pangtongshu
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KnightDeclean..I'm not even going to address your asinine remarks...as everyone else has them covered.

What I am going to say, however, is that Evolution is science. And science that can be backed up with plenty of evidence...and thus should be taught in a science class.

You belief, which you say is contradicted by evolution, is not science..and thus has absolutely NO place in a science class. You could always learn in it a theology class...along with the creation beliefs of other religions.

If you don't believe in God, then... well, I don't think we can have an argument. For an argument you need to have some common belief, which would not be satisfactory unless it be God.


Sure we can have an argument. A common belief is, by no means, necessary.
And it seems that having that common belief is just more of trying to reach a compromise, rather than educate you from your ignorant beliefs.
HahiHa
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Personally I was more interested in addressing his arguments for people on the side line who either might be questioning their views or wouldn't know what to say if faced with these arguments.

True that. Well then maybe I'll also add something in.. I just read the essay by Theodosius Dobzhansky, "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution". Dude was a famous geneticist and evolutionary biologist, and a self-proclaimed creationist and evolutionist. Two paragraphs are especially relevant for the topic here:

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"One of the early anti-evolutionists, P. H. Gosse, published a book entitled Omphalos ("the Navel&quot. The gist of this amazing book is that Adam, though he had no mother, was created with a navel, and that fossils were placed by the Creator where we find them now -- a deliberate act on His part, to give the appearance of great antiquity and geologic upheavals. It is easy to see the fatal flaw in all such notions. They are blasphemies, accusing God of absurd deceitfulness. This is as revolting as it is uncalled for."
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"Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms."
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I do certainly not agree with everything he writes in that essay, mainly being atheist and not creationist... but I think his way of seeing things is definitely more appropriate than what we have been reading from our dear KnightDeclan here. You could learn a lesson from Theodosius, buddy.
KnightDeclan
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My teachers all said evolution is bad, because i go to a private catholic schools. Therefore, I cannot relate to you commoners. I'm done with this topic.

Kasic
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My teachers all said evolution is bad, because i go to a private catholic schools.


*Facepalm* So you'll just accept anything told to you, huh. Absolutely no chance they're wrong?
KnightDeclan
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There's a chance, but I thought I could at least believe my own teachers. Now I know not to. Thanks man.

HahiHa
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My teachers all said evolution is bad, because i go to a private catholic schools. Therefore, I cannot relate to you commoners. I'm done with this topic.

And that is the problem. You go to a private school, where anyone can be teacher and say whatever they want. I have more than enough scientific formation to be a biology teacher. Take it from me, evolution is at least as real as anything else you learn in science school. If you don't believe in it, you have no reason to believe in physics or chemistry as well.
KnightDeclan
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I believe in evolution, to an extent. When it comes to how we were created, then evolution is not even a question for me.

Kasic
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When it comes to how we were created, then evolution is not even a question for me.


Evolution has nothing to do with the start of life. Only the development of it. Though I'm sensing here you mean humans *poof* onto earth 6000 years ago.

If you accept evolution but are a creationist, that means you subscribe to the deceptive God argument? He made everything to trick us into not believing in him? All the evidence we have points to 13.77 billion year old universe, 4.5 billion year old earth, and hundreds of millions year old fossils.
KnightDeclan
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No, I mean God made them. Evolution says 'oof' the earth came, perfectly formed globe, from an explosion. Catholicism says 'oof' a supreme being created it in perfect form.

Kasic
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Evolution says 'oof' the earth came, perfectly formed globe, from an explosion.


Evolution says absolutely none of that.
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Therefore, I cannot relate to you commoners. I'm done with this topic.


Commoners? Oh...I didn't realize we were talking to royalty.
/sarcasm

Evolution says 'oof' the earth came, perfectly formed globe, from an explosion.


No...no it doesn't. Maybe you should try and read Kasic's explanation directly above your post
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Evolution says 'oof' the earth came, perfectly formed globe, from an explosion.

Nope.

Start of the universe: explained by the big bang theory.

Formation of planets: astrophysics in relation to the big bang.

How did life start: explained by the theory of abiogenesis.

How does life behave/evolve: explained by the theory of evolution.

The theory of evolution takes the existence of life as granted. The theory of evolution is only about how life behaves once it exists. It has nothing to do with its origins.

The theory of abiogenesis tries to explain how organic life started from anorganic molecules. This is another matter altogether.

Agree now that, if not abiogenesis, at least evolution should be taught?
KnightDeclan
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sorry, i meant science

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sorry, i meant science


...where?
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