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Many parents argue about schools teaching evolution. Creationalists do not support or believe in the theory of evolution. It goes against their beliefs. They do not believe it should be taught because it apposes many peoples' beliefs. Do you think that it should be taught?

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Lets try not point out certain religions. I am saying creationalists for a reason.

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KnightDeclan
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Um, here? on earth? THE BIG BANG THEORY!

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Um, here? on earth? THE BIG BANG THEORY!


I mean where in your sentence did you mean science? With your statement alone..it makes absolutely no sense..lest you are saying that you either meant to place it somewhere in a sentence or a sentence should have science instead of another word.

Don't try to ****ing abase me.
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sorry, i meant science

I know what you mean, although that is not really an answer to any previous post.
So here we are again with the deceitful god argument. Science is describing the world, based on observed facts; the theory of evolution is only so called because it is a theory trying to explain the evolution we do observe. The theory of gravity is only so called because it tries to explain the gravity we do observe. Medicaments can only be found thanks to chemistry, biology, and usually also processes involving evolution (bacterial resistances etc..).

So basically, everything just looks like what science describes. So god is actually a really mean trickster and a decceiver. Wait, don't you people normally say that Satan put fossils there to deceive us? Now it turns out it was god. A Hurra for consistency!
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My teachers all said evolution is bad

My teachers openly reinforced belief in leprechauns and other mythical things. Just because a teacher says it doesn't make it true.

perfectly formed globe

You realize the earth isn't a perfect sphere, right?

Catholicism says 'oof' a supreme being created it in perfect form.

Your own statement about a perfectly spherical earth is enough to demonstrate that as false.
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by perfect, I mean unnaturally round. Is this really what your turning against me?! lol pathetic. so what shape is it, cubic?

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by perfect, I mean unnaturally round.


What do you mean "unnaturally round"? You act like that isn't how it is supposed to be.
The fact that it is round is natural.

Now..if you mean the fact that it isn't a perfect sphere is what makes it perfect..then that makes absolutely no sense..as it not being a perfect sphere eliminates its chance at perfection.

so what shape is it, cubic?


/facepalm
No..but it is by no means a &quoterfectly formed globe"..since it isn't a perfect sphere
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by perfect, I mean unnaturally round. Is this really what your turning against me?! lol pathetic. so what shape is it, cubic?

It is more of an oblate spheroid shaped potato shape. Even rain drops are closer to the perfect sphere, and you know why? Physics.
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Sorry for DP, but I thought I might add on a bit to the &quothysics" part.

It's really just fluid dynamics, hence the reference to rain drops:

"Every planet began its existence in an entirely fluid state;"
wikipedia on planets

Scientific American on why are planets round

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I cannot believe your saying the earth isn't round. I used to think it was flat, but definitely not potato-shaped. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT...GOODNIGHT!

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I cannot believe your saying the earth isn't round.


He was exaggerating. It's round, yes, but the height/width dimensions are not the same. It's something around 69 kilometers wider than taller, due to the rotational forces. (An easy demonstration of this property is spinning a waterballoon and watching how the water goes out to the sides)

The equator is also thicker, like scar tissue around it. Do you have a globe? Go feel around the equator, they make them raised to simulate that.
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by perfect, I mean unnaturally round. Is this really what your turning against me?! lol pathetic. so what shape is it, cubic?


The earth is an oblate spheroid.

Do you understand why the Earth, planets, and stars are all rounded?

You stated that Catholics believe a supreme being created everything in their spherical form, as if to suggest that there is no reason for said objects to be round otherwise.

So why are certain objects in space spheroids?

Surely, if Earth did somehow exist without God, it would look more like an asteroid than a spheroid, right? The Earth would just be a clump of mass being pulled around the sun, wouldn't it?

http://i44.tinypic.com/5xiyya.jpg

So what would happen if we took a liquid, such as water, and put it in a zero gravity environment?* One might think it would form a random shape. Let's find out.

* Note: For sake of argument, we're assuming the zero gravity environment is not a vacuum - otherwise the water would freeze.

Video of water in zero gravity.

The water formed a sphere. Why is that? All matter forms some level of a gravitational pull. The matter that makes up the water will pull into each other until it forms a spherical shape. Why spherical? It's the only shape in which the matter is evenly distributed.

But why are we comparing Earth to Water? The Earth, unlike asteroids, is not completely solid. Most of the Earth's core is liquid, this allowed Earth's mass to form a spherical shape.

So Earth is a sphere? Well, not exactly. Because the Earth is spinning, it bulges slightly as it nears the equator. Even at that, Earth is not a perfect oblate spheroid.

Sure, you can argue that God's the one who created the laws of nature, therefore he's the reason the Earth is round. However, you can NOT argue that the earth is round in spite of the laws of nature, as if it's some sort of miracle. The shape of the Earth complies with nature, it doesn't defy it.
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Good point, I actually did learn something here. Goodnight

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There's a chance, but I thought I could at least believe my own teachers. Now I know not to. Thanks man.


It's not really a matter of who says it but rather what evidence they can bring to support what they are saying.

Before you get to it the Bible isn't evidence but a book of claims requiring evidence.

No, I mean God made them. Evolution says 'oof' the earth came, perfectly formed globe, from an explosion. Catholicism says 'oof' a supreme being created it in perfect form.


You seem to be constantly trying to conflate several theories into one. Is his what you were taught about evolution?

If you wish to learn about evolution for your self here is something to get you started.
http://mindofmage.blogspot.com/2013/03/evolution-bomb.html

I would recommend starting with this link first.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_02

At least then you can be arguing against what evolution actually says.

I cannot believe your saying the earth isn't round. I used to think it was flat, but definitely not potato-shaped.


That's a good reaction. It would be better if you also applied it to your religious teachings as well. Let me stress that last part, AS WELL. You were presented with new information an you didn't just accept it out right. Do this with every piece of information you are told and only accept something once sufficient evidence is presented, demonstrating what is being told to you.
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I will take it into my range of beliefs and theories.

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I will take it into my range of beliefs and theories.


If that was a reply to what I was saying, Excellent! The next step after getting use to question is learning how to fact check.
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