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shortstopkid123
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Many parents argue about schools teaching evolution. Creationalists do not support or believe in the theory of evolution. It goes against their beliefs. They do not believe it should be taught because it apposes many peoples' beliefs. Do you think that it should be taught?

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Lets try not point out certain religions. I am saying creationalists for a reason.

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Kasic
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I don't even understand what manly's going on about, evolution in no way encompasses science as a whole, it's just the cornerstone of modern biology.


Most people against evolution have some common standings.

1) They don't understand what a scientific theory actually is. They believe a "theory" to be something anyone can spout off.
2) Religious background which tells them that the world was created.
3) Selective application of logic.
4) General disinformation about what evolution actually states and covers.
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Lol, @Palpatine, while its admirable that you collected those links, I don't think that people who oppose evolution came about those views by doing a lot of reading! Like most of these threads, it seems to be a couple poorly spelled and articulated posts that espouse either misguided or willful ignorance, followed by about a dozen well-thought out, reasoned responses. The problem is, none of the former ever seem to stick around long enough to absorb anything. Hence my assumption that they maintain their views by not doing a lot of continuing education or voluntary academic endeavors such as reading.

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1) They don't understand what a scientific theory actually is. They believe a "theory" to be something anyone can spout off.
2) Religious background which tells them that the world was created.
3) Selective application of logic.
4) General disinformation about what evolution actually states and covers.

Makes me want to say You are the result of 2.5 million years of evolutionary success. ACT LIKE IT
Lol, @Palpatine, while its admirable that you collected those links, I don't think that people who oppose evolution came about those views by doing a lot of reading! Like most of these threads, it seems to be a couple poorly spelled and articulated posts that espouse either misguided or willful ignorance, followed by about a dozen well-thought out, reasoned responses. The problem is, none of the former ever seem to stick around long enough to absorb anything. Hence my assumption that they maintain their views by not doing a lot of continuing education or voluntary academic endeavors such as reading.

The ineffective hit-n-run used by those who do not understand a topic but feel an urge to lay siege to the logical.
Still, why is ManlyMan arguing? Surely he's not devoutly religious?
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Makes me want to say You are the result of 2.5 million years of evolutionary success. ACT LIKE IT


You are the result of 3.5 billion years of evolution. ACT LIKE IT!


Christianity isn't the only religious belief evolution has o face down.

Not sure exactly how this ties in, but I just came across this article and wanted to share and this thread seemed like the most fitting.

Muslims engage in quest to understand evolution
Masterforger
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3.5? The original meme says 4, but isn't the world only 4 billion years old? I said 2.5 million because that's when homo sapiens effectively started evolving, but I may be wrong on that front.

As for the link, huzzah! At least some people can acknowledge fact while not throwing a theory into the Plains of Malproportion.

Kasic
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3.5? The original meme says 4, but isn't the world only 4 billion years old?


Earth is around 4.1 billion years old, sun 4.5 or such. Life is estimated to have started forming around 3.5 billion years ago after the Earth had cooled and there were oceans.

I said 2.5 million because that's when homo sapiens effectively started evolving, but I may be wrong on that front.


2.5 million would still be fairly modern homo sapiens. I think it's been dated that we "branched off" from a common ancestor somewhere around 180 million years ago.
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I think it's been dated that we "branched off" from a common ancestor somewhere around 180 million years ago.


Bleh. I don't even know where I pulled this number from. Actual number is like 7-8 million years ago.
MageGrayWolf
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3.5? The original meme says 4, but isn't the world only 4 billion years old?


The world is about 4.5 billion years old. 3.5 billion years is a rounded time. I think it might actually be closer to 3.8 billion years for more precision.

I said 2.5 million because that's when homo sapiens effectively started evolving, but I may be wrong on that front.


The genus homo evolved about 2.5 million years ago. (With homo habilis, I think.) Homo sapien has been around for about 200,000 years. Give or take 30-50 thousand years it would seem.

Though the statement of being a product of evolution we would have to go all the way back to the start of the evolutionary process which would take us back to the first forms of life.
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Though the statement of being a product of evolution we would have to go all the way back to the start of the evolutionary process which would take us back to the first forms of life.

Naturally, but our species as an extremely intelligent one, above that of our primates, cannot be overtly old. But I suppose the original meme makes more sense if you look at the entirety of evolution.
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Yes, there's evidence for evolution, there isn't for creationism.

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Yes, there's evidence for evolution, there isn't for creationism.


In a Creationists mind...the world and us being here is their "evidence"
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Absolutely. These things make complete sense when you've been raised into them. I was taught about evolution when I was nine (or maybe ten) and then read The God Delusion at age eleven, so I know a little about evolution. I was an agnostic before that, and I'm a full-fledged atheist now. I think that if schools teach RE, they have to teach evolution too. Give the kids a little perspective.

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Isn't knowledge power? No, keep them in the closet and shun knowledge that's the way to go? I think children should be taught everything. I don't think that they should be taught what to think. "Oh no! They are teaching children about a subject I don't believe in." I mean if we are going to accommodate creationists, are we gonna accommodate holocaust deniers as well? It's a slippery slope, my friend. I was taught creationism and evolution as well as the whole we were put here by aliens as an experiment theory. A few years later, I was even taught other religions' creation stories. Teach everything and let the kids decide. Kids aren't stupid and if they are it won't matter what you teach them cause they'd be too dumb to understand it anyway.

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I think it would be good to teach both, and not only have one side of the story.

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